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Everything posted by wishbonecav

  1. Read it again, Jeff. I know you cant wait to argue the point and be the smartest guy in the room, but "local band kids get in free" was a starting point. In my estimation, that's "something"; but I'm sure you'll maintain your 15 year track record of not giving an inch so you can dismiss it out of hand. It's boring and, not to belabor the phrase, a waste of time. If you don't want to expand on or root for other ideas or if you have all the answers, I can get you in touch with Allen. I'm sure you could do the same (or could have done the same long ago). Be well.
  2. The marketing department? I'm not sure its understood what DCA actually is. It's a handful of people who are decent organizers and get paid either a small stipend or nothing at all (most hours are volunteer) and run the circuit from home. The marketing department is every member past and present deciding to spread the word. That's the most people and the most effective. Suggesting the use of the alumni lists as a starting point didnt get much traction here and I believe that might be from misunderstanding what "DCA" is in the first place. Yes, being on that team for several y
  3. But wait...i did. "Membership is mostly younger students (admit it), so the DCA schedule has to accommodate return to school for HS and college age people. That is mid-August. There is no real discussion that can start without this as a base line. Unless DCA suddenly attracts kids that aged out of junior from 2013-15 (and there are fewer of them than ever, especially on the east coast) then making this a bona fide WEEKEND activity for LOCAL kids who can actually PARTICIPATE without pissing off their band program is the only way to go. Then, i gave you the weekend schedule
  4. LOL. I forgot where I was. Fresh ideas or enthusiasm are not expanded or brainstormed further on DCP. Another sad waste of time.
  5. How was regular season attendance? That might be a barometer of sustainability and a measure of the relationships the local organizers have with their community. You dont always need headliners to have a full house (see Rome, NY as an example) That said, its hard to host a show in a region where there are no more corps (Western NY) and the other member corps in the circuit are unwilling to bear the expense of travel. Appearance fees make the Buffalo, Rome and Erie DCI shows viable for all parties. Would the DCA down-staters go upstate for an appearance fee to have a show in Syracuse
  6. Say what you will. Youtube search Renegades 2007 Minicorps at DCA and let me know if that looked like a good time. Not everything is for kids. The 24-35 set ripped everyone's faces off (and they are some of the best players ever in the activity...look it up) and the 35-54 set that threw babies at the end didnt need to babysit high school marchers that day in order to claim the event as "theirs." DCA has never been for kids, but not everyone in that convention hall showed up in a wheelchair or with a walker or cane, either. That said, if the 9000 people (and there wer
  7. If membership is mostly post-college (and it WAS) scheduling isnt that big a problem. But DCA isnt 24-30 year old former junior members anymore. Membership is mostly younger students (admit it), so the DCA schedule has to accommodate return to school for HS and college age people. That is mid-August. There is no real discussion that can start without this as a base line. Unless DCA suddenly attracts kids that aged out of junior from 2013-15 (and there are fewer of them than ever, especially on the east coast) then making this a bona fide WEEKEND activity for LOCAL kids who ca
  8. We do have to give credit where credit is due. The Alumni show and Mini-Corps show at the big venue were DCA inventions. The 2009 Champs in Rochester were a 40+ corps happening (when you include the field, Alumni and Mini-Corps) and the place was a zoo all weekend. There was a palpable "must see" for the Mini Corps, the alumni came in droves and the locale was accessible to the Canadian and Western NY spectators who could just about walk to the venue. DCA's idea for the Alumni Show, however, has grown long in the tooth, as a concept and with the aging of the members. While St Joe
  9. DCA can certainly be around in 5 years if it sells its Championships as a convention or reunion that includes a competition, but where the contest is considered PART of the fun. The contest can certainly be the centerpiece, but the weekend as a bona fide convention event that includes alumni gatherings, corps reunions, dinner dances and additional entertainment options (think swing or cover band in a ballroom) can create an event atmosphere that invites past members to something that includes their participation as opposed to a simple spectator experience. A one-price ticket package that in
  10. As directors, we've all used a little spit and glue from time to time to get the corps down the street. That means driving a truck if you're a little short to pay a driver. That means floating a few kids' fees on your own credit card because they promised to pay by Friday but showed up without the check. That means, sometimes, trying like hell to look at the big picture of 100 people and doing what you darn well hope is the right thing so you don't let people down and throwing up a Hail Mary that things will get sorted out on the fly. Is that always super-prudent? You know what? Probably
  11. Stunned that communication caption still exists. A set of criteria woven into ge language and giving two judges 60% of the outcome. Yet to see a result where the ge caption winner did not also take communication caption. 3 years of over weighted scores and A sheet that is removed far enough from every other band or corps sheet as to be irrelevant. Sad.
  12. Nobody wants to give their product away but there may have to be a larger macro view to 2016 that includes introducing new customers that can translate into a more successful 2017 event . If you offered a $25 all access wrist band good for general admission all weekend while still keeping your 40 to 40 premium seats at a premium rate is it possible that enough buzz and revenue and value would be created with new customers to have them come back again next year? if you ran this as a promo and kept a running count down of tickets sold on the Facebook page website or other portal it would c
  13. great. how many butts does that put into the seats this past year or next year? Ads in Annapolis or Indiana dont solve the current problem. Doesnt seem like that big a deal at this point.
  14. Capacity: 4,032 front side Corps at Champs: 35 Corps members at Champs: 2,700 (using NE Brigand's number as the official-unofficial count and adding 100 for i&E participants not affiliated with a corps this year and 100 for the Hall of Fame Festivities and 6 staff members per corps) People accompanying a marching member or participant to Rochester: 1,800 (lets call it 0.67 per person. Some bring their spouse or friend, some bring mom or dad, some bring nobody, some bring 2 people (mom AND Dad)... statistically, lets call it 0.67 people accompanying our 2500 members. Thats 1800 peo
  15. Congratulations. Not one solid idea. People make their Labor Day plans well before Labor Day. They are staying away from DCA in droves and no advertiesement the week of Finals is going to sway them to skip whatever plans they made. A banner or tv commercial is not going to create an a-ha moment where a family says "Let's skip that trip to the beach and go to DCA." You get em long before that, or you dont. Labor Day is a habit. 4th of July is a habit. Want proof? What did you do for 4th of July this year? About the same thing you did last year. Labor Day plans are made well in advanc
  16. All this over 4000 front side seats at Championships that we cant seem to fill. How has it been done before? Vince made sure to invite everyone and was RELENTLESS about making it so. He made it a PERSONAL invitation and people came in droves. Biggest crowd in 20 years. Had to flip the field to try to accomodate it. Say what you want....he made it a personal thing because he said he would do something and DELIVERED....he said "I'll give you the biggest crowd in 20 years". Vince staked his reputation on it. 9,500 people. Hadn't seen that in the 20 years before, Haven't had one that big i
  17. When have you seen a DCI ad locally? Ever. Or a DCI ad on a bus? Ever. You saw one when you got to the event. Great. You were already there. There is a media savvy that the younger gen "gets" and they are hyped and enthusiastic or they generate the hype and enthusiasm. They know how to create get-togethers. 24,000 went to DCI. That's a get together. 1,200 watched a Cavaliers practice...that's a big crowd that kept growing as the kids kept texting each other..."yo, come to the high school, dude....the Cavaliers are here." How many people ever went to DCA because of an ad in the time
  18. Mike.....what does that have to do with getting them to Rochester for DCA Championships? At some point, there has to be a point. Or else, there is no point.
  19. Not sure the group gets it. It isnt about the bid city or the hotel rooms when the event can be held in Rochester, NY and the people in Rochester, NY are unaware that it is being held. Substitute the name of the city and the same problem exists. Does anyone outside the ever shrinking niche of an audience know (or care) that the event is being held? There is no excuse for the lack of contact with the Statesmen, Crusaders, St Joes, Brigadier, Patriots, Greece, Upstate, etc etc organizations especially when DCA leadership in some cases hails from these organizations. The people within a 50
  20. I bet this is the part where the 5 people left on DCP start to pee on the point I'm trying to make. The Kingston show is an example of good community relationship building, but...alas....there was no Kingstion show this year so that generally dismisses any part of the conversation that came before. Your sandbox, guys. My mistake. Been down this road one too many times before :) All the best.
  21. Mike from Erie - I would venture that the perception of DCA is rooted in an expectation of quality than quantity. People pay good money to see shows with 5 corps. This show had 15 in 2 classes with Star in exhibition. That's a good show, with or without Westshoremen. If the perception is that Fusion, Kidsgrove, Sabers and Cadets2 and Atlanta are not good substitutes for Empire, Brigadiers, Renegades, Crusaders and Westshore...that's DCA's problem to solve. There is one drum corps within 200 miles of Atlanta, but 18,000 people show up there to watch drum corps. That isnt all alums or m
  22. The stadium experience, from a production standpoint, offers many opportunities to freshen and surprise. There's plenty of fan feedback available that is often free (of charge) and available (on social media). For example: the Exhibitions are almost universally panned, not for their production value, but for their placement in the programming. StarU and Carolina Gold performing productions that are incongruous to the past three hours of competition makes for an odd fit. Putting them at the beginning is reasonable as a warm up act (11th place) and for recognition (mini-corps winner) whil