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if all things were completely the same and equal you would be right and it could make a difference, BUT if they aren't even slightly then yes even a fall could render a so called perfect score, well actually not perfect but the highest score. Remember judges only work with so many numbers which is why maxing a number out doesn't mean perfect only that you run out of numbers. Not debating who should have been higher than another just how it possibly could happen. Also a " Major " error or mistake may not be considered major if it didn't contribute to other issues at the moment.

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Dead where it should be. Talk about subjective and a hot mess...OMG..lol

Because the highest score doesn't mean perfect, never did, it's just who was the best. When you get toward the top, numbers are scarce and a perfect score as I said NEVER meant perfect, although those who have got them love to say" Perfect"..lol

2003 another fav or mine, I remember seeing them the 1st time and the color from the guard..LOVED it! Add a few more things and I still think that guard book would stand up today. JMO😁 BTW..nothing IMO is ever 1 sided and peoples experiences can be very personal.

Thanks. So sorry but I had to ask and just interacting from time to time with you I had to believe there was maybe more good than bad that kept you there. Now I'm not saying it washes over any bad just that the SCV many of us loved and admired over the years was not a myth. Not perfect, flawed for sure, hard to live up to ones own reputation ( happens in most things )Maybe bad choices and the tarnishing by some individuals floating in and out. Did you march any other years other than those which weren't so good for you? Thanks again. By the way, the Red Poppy was one of my favorite SCV shows along with many others including what I think was the very underrated Devils staircase 2011

I gotta ask.....Sorry......If it was so bad I can understand maybe giving it another shot( Maybe ) but a 3rd? Not judging but wondering what was it that brought you back, again , again and again, Something had to be good. Just curious, believe me not judging at all.

To be honest I don't remember weather reports before that tragic day in 2011 nearby BUT do remember almost every year after with warnings.

I remember clearly in 2011 if the roof had been open, what a disaster it would have been. An announcement NOT to go near exits and the collapse of a stage due to a sudden violent deadly storm not far away.

A tough position to be in...On one hand as you say the money, on the other hand members and retention. The culture an mindset could be great for some an not enough for many, as they have continuously have experienced. As I said, it has to only be their choice and with every choice there is always a consequence no matter who you are.

I would totally agree that I would like Surf survive also. with that said I also know being friendly with many staff that the very thing that makes Surf unique could also be their Achilles heel. As far as I know all staff respect the format and heart of the organization but are also the 1st to admit (especially behind the scene) it is the very thing that holds them back, whatever that means. If one accomplishes a goal, then I believe that's not holding back at all, It's a choice to be who you are and set their own goals. Surf needs to be respected for their choice to be who they are and their contributions to the activity. Now should they be a WC corps? would they shine more in OC? Would they retain more members maybe with OC success? or many other considerations, people can and do I'm sure debate this BUT that is and should be totally up to them only. All we, IMO should do is wish them luck.

I think you can be a fan of a corps but not of the process or message. Haven't we seen this of many corps.

oh you are so right...on both accounts 😁

supporting your corps is totally understandable . As far as $$$ ,it might be a thing of chicken and egg Believe me wGI only got it that $ were all coming from the lower , especially HS class. Fees over fees over fees and hundreds of them. For finals at least they do have the HS class and independent classes within the same show. Short story: several years ago I went to the head of WGI at WC finals about how could they sell tickets to HS and other classes and the seats were backside which is fine BUT a huge black curtain totally blocking any view. This really didn't affect me because my guard was in the WC finals but felt the need to say something for them, well the answer was " at least they are in the building if they don't like it there was several doors they could leave by...I was floored! I think They learned alot since then

well I guess the corps dont seem to have value on their own then...I could agree that maybe making it a little easier for fans to support BUT lets face it, evenBITD you always heard about the hot dog corps sadly. Not a new thing or problem BUT in that respect DCI should have figured it out long before now how to make it easier for the fans as well as a great supportive experience for those kids.

thats great unfortunately not everyone is like you. More of what I said and saw 1st hand....................I thought that was you with your hot dog and popcorn....lol

Ive said it millions of times but worth saying it again. People need to put their butts in seats for the smaller corps instead of complaing.$$$$$ will always speak louder. OC members literally play to nothing.....often. Some have said that the sched. and place doesn't allow for people to get to. Well that may be true now but wasn't always like that. Even where some smaller corps appear with the so called big guys people file in for the biggies and spend the other time in the lot ( which i never understood) WGI HS A class never had a say BITD until WGI figured out that it was where the money was in fees etc etc.Worldclass may fill the arena but the little guys fund the activity the entire year. Let the little guys show $$$$$$ you watch how fast equal status follows.

YES! all of it........Sorry I know that wasn't helpful BUT like with anything you do see it all.

I get what you're saying, and you are also right. BITD it did take time for some to catch the new wave, especially when they saw caption score or not, on the sheets or not, certain guards were changing the activity, influencing all captions, visually stimulated, took some great music and visually brought it to life. If it was actually said or not the influence guards started to contribute went both ways. Still does. It eventually ( as we see ) brought the rest of the corps into new visual possibilities.

This is actually true. IF something can influence to the positive it sure can to the negative.

He was a mentor BITD Boy can I tell some stories...lol...I was in the horn line of a corps for many years then guard for a few but remember him telling me " here's the future, jump on that train " and I did

Exactly!

Score wise YES, caption wise yes, BUT ever since the 70s many didn't believe how the guard influenced ALL scoring and was important. Let's face it (for those who want to believe) Can anyone truly say 27s guard didn't influence the outcomes of that corps. They sure did, believe it or not, Same could be said of PR and many others of the time.

As much as I do not want to see SCV go away, and I don't, I think they need to be commended for NOT doing like many others have. How many corps have we seen not finish a season. not have money or resources to feed their corps on tour, beg other corps for help and one can go on and on. Hoping they make a comeback.at some point.