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If the alumni or corps REALLY didn't want videos to spread they shouldnt have put them on Facebook. Blame goes to the people who posted the private video not those that shared it. It's just irresponsible to expect that videos like that won't be shared because they are "private". That doesn't mean anything on the Internet.

The Cadets' ballad is performed between 10 yardlines. Get it?

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Well how much knowledge are we talking about? Knowledge about every single corps show... definetly not many... Knowledge of atleast the title of a production or music used in "A" performance... definetly most. People who have already seen atleast 1 corps show live or through video... I'd say most aswell but not as many as those with 'some knowledge'. This is definetly statistically accurate.

My prediction: #powerof11

I wondering if Shostakovich should have named his 10th symphony "The Anger in the Darkness" in order for you to feel emotion from it?? The Power of 10 can mean anything... To me The show is about the Power of the 10 time world championship Cadets and that's about as much emotion as I'll ever need from a show ;)

It does and has. I too work with synths. So where does that leave us?

Well I don't like posts that twist people's words around so they can hate on something they didn't do or say. But that's always the lowest form of discussion on these forums...

let me explain something about the synth. It is a detailed and ever evolving process to get synth balances and electronic balances at the levels that even the designs intended. It's not always a matter of "just lower it" when you are trying to consider certain sounds and timbres that fit with a constantly changing production. ("Oh the brass are cut from that now? Oh there are extra counts added for an electronic sample?") We have been fortunate to see so much raw daily footage from a top corps spring training... And Surprise! It's not perfect! People need to understand they are critiquing something that most people aren't entirely familiar with... Spring training drum corps. It's unbalanced, unproduced, unfinished, un-everything. How can we expect that after 2 reps of a brand new ensemble chunk to have perfect synth/brass balance if this was their first ever run doing it together outside!? (Literally it is) Give the synth comments a break and appreciate the exposure and inside look very rarely seen ever before.

Hops latest periscope is off the charts!!! Don't let the numbers confuse you... This show is about Power

We can hope there is innovation in their somewhere...

X... 10... pretty vanilla concept honestly but it will surely change into something that can have some kind of emotional/intellectual stimulation? Did they not learn from Side X Side about having an intellectual concept lacking emotional connection and meaning? do they have "X" on the brain? Seems also similar to "Second Chance" concept from Crown a couple years back. Sorry, guess I'm grouchy today! Music will be stellar!

Your perception on the values of drum corps/marching bands is very very twisted. There is nothing exclusive to a "marching band" that makes it a "suburban activity" and there is nothing about drum corps that makes it more valuable than marching band because it *was* mostly in "urban areas". Unless you think the mission statement and location of a marching unit decides if its drum corps/marching band? That's silly. Right now we're arguing your perceived connotations of what a "Drum corps" and "marching band" are and what personal significance it means to you. That's fine, but in an objective reality the fall of local drum corps and the rise of local marching bands at schools is *not* a coincidence. Marching bands and drum corps have the same values, same motivations, same missions as ever. Would you be opposed if an inner city school district decided to start a marching band over a drum corps? You wouldn't be so stubborn as to deride the values of that organization over an inner city drum corps? You trying to make a distinction between corps vs. band is an appeasement to your personal experience but it doesn't shine true to what is the reality now. Saying marching bands have "replaced" drum corps is not saying anything about what drum corps meant to you in the past or the values that drum corps has taught you and the good it has done to many kids. Its just a statement of fact about the current state of the marching arts. And sorry for taking the thread hostage... IRS guy is crazy, won't take it seriously until the IRS does. :)

Competitive marching bands ARE a replacement for drum corps. You will find marching bands in places with local drum corps and without. Drum Corps started out with "giving kids something to do" except now there is literally a million things kids can do. Drum Corps is marching band and if you value kids doing something, working hard, competing in circuits, marching in parades then you should be very happy that highschool marching band has replaced small regional drum corps! If you aren't than maybe you need to reevaluate the reasons you think drum corps is "better" than highschool marching band. More kids are involved in the marching arts than ever before that's a fact for sure why does it matter if the unit is called a marching band or drum corps?! Makes no difference.

Donald Gratwood, another crazy in that group, thinks that there aren't any drum corps that are inclusive to all children reguardless of skill or financial status.... Hey Donald! It's called high school marching band now and there are more marching bands in America than there ever were drum corps!

I don't think when people say a show is "old and hokey" they are actually talking about the physical age of the music used.

You can't have a thesis like "DCI and the triumph of the Simulacrum" and then say that huge parts of DCI are also not a part of it. You cannot take the most important parts of DCI like music selection and program choices and ignore them and then say that DCI as a whole embraces the simulacrum. That like saying "yeah they are playing big band jazz music but don't you see how perfectly staged the trumpets are!? Simulacrum apologists!!" You can't simply say that because DCI uses electronics and cares about "staging" that it suddenly is a part of the Simulacrum. Is staging and electronics such Hallmarks of the simulacrum that everything that utilizes these things is suddenly inferior to things not in simulacrum? Look if you want to say championship shows don't have as much demanding drill as they used to you can say that. If you want to say that "where" things take place on the field is more important that "how" they happen that's fine too. And you can say that electronics do not have a place in modern drum corps... whatever! But why wrap this all around some convoluted philosophical idea?! Can we just call a spade a spade please?!

My god! A show using "experimental orchestral" music is so Similacrum! A show about Presidents and using 60 year old music is so Similacrum! A show about a ballet using music from a ballet is so Similacrum! A show about an Italian film director using Jazz and Big Band charts is so Similacrum! Scheherazade? More like Sheherazacrum! I mean, the only "Simulacrum" thing I see here is your cynical judgement of an activity that brings a new direction and change every year. I actually cannot even think of an activity that is more removed from the "Similacrum" as DCI is. Piano playing?? People have been playing piano for centuries! Violin? Maybe that bach violin concerto can be performed for the 9,000,000th time just to show that we are not part of the Simulacrum! Performing intricate drill/movement with wind instruments, percussion and color guard? I think we're coming in at almost 90 years... but really at the level it is now... no more than 40? If having "electronic effects" suddenly makes this activity heavily and sickeningly glorify the Simulacrum than you would be hard pressed to find anything that doesn't... making this whole thesis pretty pointless. DCI =/= Simulacrum

80 trombones doing a pinch bend though??? hmm...

Diminishing the talent of the corps?! Your are insane. That is a dumb opinion to have.

Tell that to Blue Knights. Drum placement from 12th to 6th (beating Crown) in a single year with a new drum staff.

These arguments are annoying. Everything is relative! I'm sure Colts thought it was disappointing to be in 13th even though many corps wish they had the opportunity to compete to make Finals. Yes, Third is disappointing when you're hoping for Second. It's a logical human emotion to feel dissapointment. What do we expect, that you wouldn't feel even a little bit of disappointment? This activity thrives on competition and winning is a great, positive and healthy goal to have! You make competition seem like such a dirty thing and the emotions we have with it just as vile. Get over it! Corps don't have a "priority" list of things that are important. They care about a lot of things all at the same time and there is no POINT in you trying to dumb it down to a single thing. Do corps always have to be humble 100% of the time and pretend that scores don't matter?! C'mon, you're just being unnecessarily critical just to blast Cadets. We're all humans with complicated emotions so I don't see ANYTHING wrong with what George wrote or how he wrote it.

I just want to comment to make sure you feel overwhelmed with negativity. Shame on you for your assumptions and exaggerations about The Cadets and the way they humbly stand still and march out of the stadium. If you knew anything about drum corps you would know how WRONG your perceptions on the Cadets actions actually are. Some corps like to mingle and others chose to remain disciplined. And ALL corps show a great deal of class when they do either.

Where was that implied? I didn't think George was speaking for the whole history of the Cadets but his version and the one he sustains and created for decades.

Tough rap for The Cadets tonight... Twitter is all abuzz with this pic and they get trumped by Coats.