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you're a real estate lawyer, right? I know that his brother-in-law is a criminal lawyer who deals with cases where reputations have been viciously sullied, so he probably didn't have to deal with billable hours but pro bono stuff like you probably do so generously too. I note too that drilltech deleted his own posts; maybe others might do the same and heed the good advice of a previous poster who suggested this thread be returned to the discussion of the Glassmen.

Saw this posted on another forum. He contributed to DCI's percussion legacy in so many ways. May he rest in peace. http://www.drumcorpsplanet.com/forums/index.php/topic/157844-sad-news-rod-goodhart/

Chris, You are going to have to move quicker if you are going to out scoop the great Boo and crew on DCP. Nice additions plus re-upping Dr. Shanefield. NdP

Wasn't Thompson Vou, former drum major and more recently business manager, already announced on DCP and elsewhere that he was becoming the new Director after Tom Spataro's "retirement" was announced? I know I personally congratulated both of them well back in July at the great show they ran.

I read what he has said differently from the way you read it and some of the others have read it. If he says he had not posted what was said, that's a matter of concern. If he is experiencing similar things in other aspects of his life on the computer, that's a concern. It's not necessarily ineptitude with cut and paste quotes, if he didn't orginate the post. Red negs nor green pluses seem both inappropriate if the guy is challenging a problem or problem person in his life. Overreaction by all isn't helpful to him or any of us either way IMHO.

http://www.drumcorpsplanet.com/forums/index.php/topic/157475-the-staff-merrigoround/page__st__380 posts 382 and following....

must have been all those practice nights with the Long Island Kingsmen up there in San Remo :worthy:/>

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Given Jeff Ream's reaction and others agreeing with him, Rochester is becoming the new Indianapolis.........................with all the same splashback.

"allergic to people" !!! ha, ha...I've met a few on tour. Usually they are not morning people, at least not until they've had their coffee. Then the fight begins, Dunkin' Donuts, Starbucks, McDonald's or Caribou brew? Yup, the food crew members are often saints!

are not today's DCA corps required to hold/buy a block of rooms as part of the "Convention package" whether the corps needs them or not? Is it the same on tickets? Jim, BITD, families became involved because papa was involved. Then there was a shift with no papas and few families. Today with so many younguns, many families try to follow little Junior.

And some of us may know people whose vocabulary has never progressed from there.:tongue:/>

OP, thanks for posting this. It's great to see something positive amidst too many negatives today. Thanks again.

I think these questions are pertinent to the larger questions and the matters which Keith Hall, CEO of the open class, raises about DCI as an organization and why his corps has folded.

Thank you, Skywhopper!!! Of course you realize you are driving all those band drill writers back to their computers and graph charts now, don't you, ha, ha?

Don't short shift the marching and visual aplomb that AO, Alex Beltran, and Holy Bass developed in that battery. They both marched fabulously and played championship level!

Thank you. Northeast and Northwest. I know Minnesota doesn't start until the week before Labor Day...they may still be shovelling last year's snow, ha, ha. Actually they don't have any snow days in their calendars and plow on without them regardless of the amount of daily snow. Like Vermonters, Mainers, and Alaskans, they take it as part of normal life. replying to Stu: your objections about DCA are not different from the current situation with DCI's where kids have to have letters for the schools (like the State of Indiana) which are already started the week of DCI championships or will start on the Monday following. And Stu, DCA is and has been for awhile All-age, not seniors. If you check the DCA forum, you will see many comments that most DCA corps are now more under-22's than the adults you believe fill them. Cadets 2 are but the only one who limits memberships as kids, but they are not the babies of the circuit by any means. Go to a DCA contest to see for yourself. Jim's comment regarding membership regards filling holes after DCI championships which Tom Peasey has affirmed elsewhere in that forum is limited to a small percentage compared to the August first membership of the corps. No wonder Drilltech and so many others get riled with you.

Well Crown's ending certainly had the crowd on it's feet and I was glad to join them. Troopers might be my next favorite followed by Vanguard's never ending set of surprises in the last minute. The over-familiarity of the music bumps it from second to third.. Earlier on in the season I liked the Madison ending, but as the stadia got larger and the season progressed, the impact was lessened. Otherwise, no particular ending stood out on positives. In fact, what we saw in Indianapolis from most corps is what we saw on the main in Allentown with no surprises that I recall.

Your point is clear. Your conclusion is not. Just as all-age corps like the Renegades from California and MBI, Kilties, and Govenaires from the Midwest come in for the weekend for DCA championships, why could not an Open Class corps do the same? In fact the Minnesota corps come by bus to Annapolis and Bridgeport, etc...about a 24 hour ride if I remember correctly. DCA even has some European corps coming. I think the difference in your logic and mine is the premise that the DCI corps tour would have to continue with a large gap due to schooling between the two championships. I opine that the Open Class corps would continue locally as do several here in the Northeast with their parades and exhibitions. In fact, wasn't it just this week that Santa Clara Vanguard and Cadets and Pacific Crest performed with the LA Philharmonic...after DCI tours had finished? I am thinking that the whole apparatus of the Open Class in DCI/DCA/ locally has to be completely re-thought. The current situation is exactly what many forewarned when DCI wanted to fill the seats for Championships and added Div. II and III into the package which did not include them when DCI championships first began.

Your experience assuredly is quite valid. What part of the nation do you live? In Bristol, Ct. there is a company known as ESPN. In Connecticut, the local folk lore is that ESPN offered the NCAA more weekends for college football games to be televised if the NCAA could move the season forward. NCAA supposedly presented the benefits ($$$$$) to the college administrators who agreed and gradually the semester began. earlier. First the universities adjusted their calendars nationally, and many local schools followed after. The inclusion of more religious and ethnic holidays for an increasing number of people also influenced calendar formation. Schools in the Northeast now have to consider Islamic, Chinese, Jewish, and Christian holydays/holidays when making a public school calendar so as not seem to favor one group over another. And not to regard them at all is to make Secularism a religion. Another influence on the calendar change was the greater popularity and availability of air conditioning and internal climate control, especially now that computers and technology need a proper climate all year long. What were once calendar excuses due to excessive weather and crop harvesting no longer apply. The times are changing. How is DCI?

Jersey Surf has its base operations in a place where at least 180 in-class school days are required. Hurricane/Tropical Storm Sandy and the later winter snow/ice storms interupted that from the usual momentum. Having been a principal for a time, I know that most schools in the Northeast write at least 5 extra school days into their calendar to offset that. The State limits on State and Federal Aid for school attendance do not allow further prolongations of most calendars at will without State approval and legal changes.. Although schools look to the long view, Jersey's situation was extra-ordinary this year and not a result of starting before or after Labor Day. You seem to switch horses midstream in answering Drilltech1 or I too am not clear on the point you are trying to make. As you mentioned a specific corps, let me mention another two corps. Instructors of both Oregon Crusaders and Cascades had conversations with me that they were hampered in starting the DCI tours which are based on college availability and Midwestern/Southern educational biases because the schools in the Northwest mimic the calendar of New England where the traditional calendars have been from Labor Day to the last weeks of June. I opine that the World Class corps have more college age members by percentage than do the Open Class corps. That educational calendars are impinging on the DCI tours, especially for the Open Class, is now more obviously having a thwarting effect.

You and I are not disagreeing at all. I didn't have an exact date and didn't want to make it sound to the newbies as if George was 90. But it leads to a further question for another thread. If someone has been judging a "youth" activity for 42 years, and the finals week panels include others around as long (the Czapinskis for example), should there be term limits on judging? Or is the reaction of the crowd so wonderously that we had a new champion, first time since 1996 also partially because we have the same old, same olds judging the same few corps???

In 1972, George Oliviero was finishing his career marching in Beantown, in the shadows of college graduation, and like me, one of those upstarts in the middle of the discussions of the Hank Granas, Earl Joyces, Rick Maas, Jim Joneses, Gino Monterastelli, etc. One would hope that over 42 years there has been some maturation in experience and understanding. Otherwise you have discovered a constant in life that Einstein, whether on Revere beach or not, missed.