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I doubt corps as old as these don't have something buried in their closet. This incident was more than 40 years ago, corps might have their act together now but that doesn't make them immune to this kind of thing

You don't have to keep saying this every time someone posts about how the org has completely changed. Yes, we know what the judge has said regarding the corps being the legal successor to the Garfield Cadets. It's still true that nobody involved with The Cadets today had any control over this situation 40 years ago despite whatever legal liability they are deemed to have. Things can be true and not legally relevant

Even if the victim is primarily motivated by money or just wants to completely take down the org that she believes enabled the assault I don't blame her, I blame the piece of #### who assaulted her 40 years ago. Those motives are completely understandable given the circumstances even if I think it is ultimately punishing the wrong people for the crime

Project much?

"These acts and omissions" are specifically the ones listed in the lawsuit, not any others that may have occurred. If the lawsuit was about events other than the ones that occurred in relation to the plaintiff they would have been specifically mentioned, especially since the actions of GH have been well documented at this point. If there had never in the past 40 years been another instance of abuse related to The Cadets the text of this lawsuit would stay entirely the same.

I don't believe this is an accurate description of the legal proceedings. The Cadets have claimed that they are not responsible for the crimes committed because they are no longer part of the umbrella organization that the crimes happened under. It appears the judge did not accept that particular argument. Neither the judge nor the Cadets made claims regarding whether there is a current "culture of abuse" because it's completely irrelevant to the case.

She is seeking damages for the abuse (rightfully so) and the organization is one of the few entities that has assets that could be awarded. It has nothing to do with the organization as it stands today. There's no happy outcome or justice here, either she wins and an organization that is now completely removed from the incident is punished or she loses and the victim does not get reimbursed for the damages she suffered.

The lawsuit makes no mention of anything other than the events that took place in the early 80s. There is no claim by the plaintiff that the corps has not moved beyond the culture of abuse. If there is evidence that they haven't then I fully support that being shared and the responsible parties being held accountable, but a 40 year old case isn't it.

Had the corps been held responsible and shut down after the GH bomb dropped I would have mourned the loss but it would have been hard to argue against. The board and director and likely others at the time were all culpable for a pattern of abuse. This is harder to come to terms with though. I aged out almost 20 years ago and this happened before I was born. It's doubtful that anyone culpable for this incident is still involved with the corps in any way. This isn't going to punish anyone other than innocents and isn't going to protect any future kids from a similar incident. There is nothing that the corps could have done in my entire lifetime to prevent this outcome.

Maybe they're cheaper than high schools + busses? No clue, just speculating

If you're giving away a dollar just to save a max of 37 cents in taxes I would argue you are bad at math. Tax benefits are not a primary reason to donate, it's just a discount towards donating

It's not really any of your business, but for the past ~20 years I've donated the same percentage of my income to various charities. When I started I took the standard deduction, then as my circumstances changed I eventually switched to Itemized deductions. The % I donated has stayed the same regardless of tax benefits though

Most people aren't donating exclusively to lower their taxes

I'll donate once more information about the plan going forward comes out. I did the bulk of my donation for the year before the season, but depending on the plan I'll probably donate more before the end of the year. I'll give directly through cadets.org though, not give Go Fund Me part of the money

ok

I had assumed the corps "moving to Erie" meant an office with people working in it, but looking at the staff profiles it seems that's not the case. Not sure what they're plan is with regard to community engagement if nobody is there to do it🤷‍♂️

The best? Probably not, the best people are expensive. They are more qualified than you or me though

I still think leaning in to the core competencies of the organizations is a potential way to come up with additional revenue and increase community engagement. The Cadets used to do "Music is Cool" clinics at various stops along the tour which were just 1 day clinics for high schoolers, but since corps now have fewer shows and are more likely to stay in one place for more than 1 night what if that was expanded to multiday clinics for area kids that included putting together a very small show instead of just doing 8 on a hand and some stand still songs. A mini drum corps experience for anyone who wants it. For corps that do spring training near their home towns it would be the perfect time to do one that increases community engagement and helps grow local talent. Maybe corps could organize some kind of local concert band events as well during the off season. Erie Area Honor Band, hosted by The Cadets, or a concert festival, or an I&E equivalent. Even if these things aren't huge moneymakers in and of themselves they give the corps something to point at when they are courting local sponsors, branch out beyond a luxury activity for rich kids.

If you don't want feedback about your ideas just don't post them on a discussion forum. Throwing out ideas is good, some will be good, some will be bad, but if you want to an actual discussion about "real ideas for sustainability & revenue" everyone's ideas have to be open to scrutiny. Your ideas aren't above criticism just because you had them.

I expect more too but I'm willing to give them a little time to get their feet back under them after losing the CEO as part of this debacle. I want them to get it right, not to rush out information just for the sake of people who are impatient. The decision not to tour has been made, that's the most important thing to get out quickly because it affects the kids and staff. They can't really expect a lot of new donations without providing more information and a solid plan, but expenses are also a LOT lower without doing a tour so immediately raising money isn't as urgent.

If the problem was going to be solved by armchair corps directors on DCP it would have been solved years ago. We shouldn't accept an idea without scrutiny just for the sake of doing something, especially when that idea is worse than the status quo. Bad ideas are extremely easy to come up with. Here's an idea, every corps pools together all their money to buy lottery tickets the next time the jackpot gets high, if they win they all split the money and don't have to worry about expenses ever again. I will not be accepting any criticism of this idea.

"Sir, you have a lot of plaque build up in your heart, if you don't make some lifestyle changes it's going to kill you" "OK doc, let's just remove the heart!"

If you restrict corps to local recruitment you're gonna have like 3 corps total that top out at 30 people max. It would kill drum corps quicker than national tour expenses

The thread for discussing the former was closed because of the latter

The issue should be fixed if they aren't in compliance and they should figure out who dropped the ball, but come on, is this what DCP has become? Digging through state bureaucracy to find any little gotcha we can?