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Everything posted by C.Holland

  1. and now they get to complain about a lack of groups overall. double headed crocodile has bit the activity in the butt.
  2. considering how indoor is driving the design of DCI, which is driving the design of DCA... its not far fetched. they're also easy to host, and cheap to accommodate.
  3. I think if you want DCA to grow, the shows need to make a conscious effort to invite SDCA, Soundsports, and even the indoor winds carry their shows over into summer to participate. Give more groups access to a performance, as well as ticket holders a few more pieces of entertainment, and they all may come back for more.
  4. DCI does drive the bus for innovation, and exposure. Which I think adding All-Age into shows, like when Drum Corps Midwest (yup... just dated myself there) had mixed bill shows of Sr, 2/3, and Open classes all in the same show, gave everyone some opportunity for success.
  5. as someone who's been involved in both DCI and DCA, this does no favors for the all-age groups by making them second fiddle. Here's why. There's simply not enough time in the season on the proposed schedule to create a show that they are currently producing at the level they are currently producing. So the product being sold would suffer. it would cut the shows in August which would then cut the money made from those shows. corps revenue would suffer. There's the travel cost. Which, understood, there's going to be travel costs no matter what. However, with the majority of groups in the northeast, and the majority of DCA fans in the northeast, this will inhibit who can attend. I'm all for DCI expanding All-Age class and providing performance opportunity throughout the country at the local shows. This is something that would help to grow the All-Age groups and provide some much needed exposure. I don't believe that piggy backing DCA onto DCI week is a good idea or profitable for the DCA groups. I think DCA still needs its own weekend, possibly the week before Labor day to allow students in college and high school to participate, and in a venue and city that gives you a championship feel. I don't dislike Williamport due to how it bends over backwards for the event, I do wish there was something a little more to it.
  6. I can see the double edged sword occurring of DCI trying to influence the All-Age corps do weekend tours all summer. So they may then have more performances, but more travel and housing costs. All of the sudden you've got four more corps going to the Nashua, NH DCI show, and then hitting one in NJ or PA on the way back. Unless DCI wants to really revamp its shows out east.
  7. possibly, other than DCI shows happen on all days of the week, versus All-Age which can only perform on weekends. Just a question, was there a point in DCA history where corps had shows on both saturday AND sunday on the same weekend?
  8. The amount of performance opportunities for the last two weeks of the DCI season give the group much more for their buck. DCA being weekends only, means they perform once a week... and then rehearse for 6 days before they perform again. DCI means rehearse, perform, move, rehearse perform, move...rinse repeat. When The Company came over, they were on a good schedule of mixed World Class and Open Class shows. International Division allows them to have members older than 21. (as well as looser restrictions on instrumentation if they really wanted to field saxes)
  9. the group i worked with was about 90% 15-20. 10% 21-65. All - Age... certainly. Senior... certainly not. Knowing students I had in the other groups were all 16-20 leads me to believe that this is the majority of the membership age bracket. (as they joined with their friend groups) With small smatterings of everything else.
  10. 1. is it FREE 2. is there a SIGNIFICANT DISCOUNT on hotel rooms? 3. will whatever city this is bend over backwards to give the Corps every possible need fullfilled via fields, lack of hills, a fun space for Mini Corps/I&E/PantsOffDanceOff/BBQ Competition? If you can answer yes to these 3 questions... then maybe. But again... the city needs to ask "what can we do to bring you here" vs "what can you bring to this city"
  11. I think DCI open class has hit its niche. No, $4k-6k of worlds is not feasible for many. Hence why many are marching fewer years than before. But I think also of why open class is growing. $1200-3k is a little more sustainable. But the schedule, to me, is pretty feasible, and designed around school schedules. You have one camp a month from nov to june. then move in early july and are done with tour in 6 weeks. Or you have a camp week around the 4th. and then move-in/tour for the last two weeks of july and two august weeks for championships. With your own open class tour of exotic locations like Sheffield, PA, and Avon Lake, OH. The cities aren't amazing, but the show crowds are filling more every year.
  12. You'd have to foster a good relationship with DCI to piggyback performance opportunities, until you can build 6 all age corps. DCATx? DCA-AggieHorn Division? DCA-Brisket Division!!!!!!!<-BINGO!!!! That's it... I've solved it. NE = DCA Pizza SE = DCA Pulled Pork Midwest = DCA Juicy Lucy TX= DCA Brisket what can be more fan friendly?
  13. DCA has no use outside of the few places it exists currently. In reality, outside the NE. There's no support for groups to perform anywhere outside the NE unless it's piggybacking off of a DCI show or SDCA show. There's no shows outside the NE. Heck, St Peter's show was 1 corps. One. Uno. One of the southern shows was two corps. One in Long Island was three competing and several exhibition. That's not helpful to grow your circuit.
  14. I'm not sure what you're challenging, those are the numbers of corps that competed in each class in DCI last season. None of which will move to DCA. the ones whom are trying to move from soundsport into Open Class are Compass & Lone Star. They also do not look to be interested in DCA. DCA would not help them in Texas.
  15. theyre up to 23 world class, and 24 open class in DCI. the soundsport model is working to develop new groups. There's a few more coming for open class.
  16. except that it's not. AGT is still on top of ratings, and The Voice still topped the NFL in viewership. The market is strong for it. again, not your generation, your generation is old hat. But not facilitating any sort of change, is why DCA is where it is. Fear of trying something new, and it not going over like a smash hit, has put the fanbase's one foot into the grave.
  17. then its time for the corps to band together, take a collection, and pay into the pot which will save their butts. DCI pulls its resources. Hence all the corps have a buy in and shares of the profits. Not every corps for itself.
  18. engaging them digitally will bring more fans. this is the era where everything is found on a phone or tablet. time to hire some software engineers to do just that. the voting app is a fun feature. where DCA was supposed to be the fun circuit. otherwise its looking like a DCI lite.
  19. short term. 1. understand the product they are selling "DCI training ground, or entertainment focused alternative" 2. get soundsport on board, encourage corps to participate in DCI All Age, and bring in smaller corps to help fill or create shows. more shows is more exposure. long term. 1. get digital and connect the generation that gets everything on their phone. (tickets, videos, interviews, fan feedback...) 2. create a better foundation of show & corps creation, organization, and sustainability. a better, more organized support structure for growing your all-age ensemble and helping to fund the machine that is DCA.
  20. this is all part of creating an attachment and engaging the younger generations. this is marketing. it's not for your age group. your age group is either engaged and staying, or has already left. no reason to bother with it. use the same app for ticketing and, much like the DCI app, videos of the lot, interviews with the showmen drum majors and designers... all the stuff you're getting everywhere else, you should be getting on your phone. This is the new generation of drum corps fans.
  21. bus some fans there. sell some tickets. heck, I'll bet you one ice cold Genessee that John Mayer will be on the Govie's Podium yelling "Don't you love us? Give us five stars! I've got hugs for everyone who gives the Govies 5 stars!, and you can take Tuna home with you!"
  22. its simple. the app we used had three sliders for ranking each groups performance component from 1-5. what they sang, how they sang it, and the overall schtick (costumes, dance...whatever) total score was 15 points. the software collected data and averaged it all out for each group. no, participants didn't get a vote. if DCA wants to get some traction, it needs to learn to do social media well. It needs to figure it the (redacted) out. Find a way to make a personal connection, and you'll gain attendees and members. give the audience 5%-10% of the GE score. see what happens. you want more? bus some (redacted) fans to the show. sell more tickets in your block. but there's one bit you can steal from the judges. and this is the kinder gentler drum corps era. give the friendly people a voice. but stop crying about how one group always comes out on top when you actually CAN have the ability now to stack the deck for yourselves in a piece of the score. this actually puts DCA in the palm of your hand, creates an instant connection to the show, and when you rent it to others (like when my company sponsors an app at a conference) its got a big ol fat "Powered by DCA" across the top. 42,000 fans at DCI then have to see it. Which they have an instant link that takes them to the DCA and Corps websites while they're grabbing a beer at the Oil Can. Rent it to TOB, BOA, CoB, KMEA, TMEA... you get the idea. Turn that $$$$ into a sweeeeet stadium for finals and a Cadillac for a pit cart. You put a few DCA reps at DCI finals in the marketplace, give away a few t-shirts, " first 50 people to find a DCA rep and answer a question wins a free shirt" and all of sudden people seek you out. Us simply sponsoring an app at a conference and giving away a couple of travel mugs gave us thousands of hits and people coming up to us to ask about our company. Which lead to more business. There's already a DCI mobile app during finals. (online videos, highlights, interviews, warmup clips...) Its is highly downloaded and used. You may say you're not interested, the new fan of drum corps is.
  23. The unique operation of the app that was used for the karaoke league, was that it only functioned in the venue that the competition was at. you couldn't log into it outside the venue or on a different day. it was only set up for the groups or people performing, and it was only on for that space, in that venue. So there was no possible way to influence scores from anywhere else or on any other day. And that's ok if you don't add it, others would. It's providing instant gratification that the new generation is accustomed to. Its a connection to the activity never before existing.