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Take note. Rarely do the three previous posters agree. But on this there is consensus!

Oh Goodie. Just what the activity needed. Another corps wearing blue, black, and white trying to pretend they're from Concord, California. http://www.seattlecascades.org/#!new-uniforms/c1bkd Uniforms were not Cascades problem. Bodies with talent, good instruction, and depth of design and development are what this corps needs to wear to ascend the ranks. Another new drill designer seeing different fabric as the panacea for better scores. I don't think so.

Yes, Guardling, I know. I helped plan it back then. Many people were involved. Since my college was near two major airports and I was able to get free meeting rooms for the committees and judges to meet, that's where the circuit reps, interested instructors and judging associations had the round tables. But the West felt it was too far for them to travel and only the West had the money to haul long distance.There was a 5 year lead up of regionals and cross-circuit competitions, the allowance of other than required moves (manual of arms in the East, posting in the Midwest and Ohio, tall flags in the West, 3 fronts of 16 counts required by the ex-military types and most circuits, mandatory maximim size of 18 members, etc.) It took much re-education and kingdom dismantling. WGI did not drop from the sky overnight despite the version prospered by S. Whitcomb who came very late to the discussion.. All this was not germane to the original question of whether the MidStates are always where WGI has been.

update on your update. In addition to all you said about Mr. Zuccala, Bruno has assumed color guard caption head duties for Cadets as per February 2015 announcement by corps.

Anyone else notice that in Dayton the Cadets Winter Percussion used 10 snares? http://fb.me/1CZdPcvVO Seems to be a pattern developing here!

Ask the poster named Garfield for his version first. I know where too many of the bodies are buried...under the pitcher's mound might be a good place to start, ha, ha.

Some might call it cultish.

They've been there and done that in their previous history. They wanted a change from that.

Newbies all of you!!!.ha. ha. Early years of WGI had the "championships" on Cape Cod, Mass. Interesting aside and not meant to re-start the Indy debates, but WGI was offered a nice package to move the whole shebang (free office space, bigger arena, etc.) to Indy about a dozen years ago. Much investigation and soul searching, discussion, and evaluation. WGI said NO! They preferred being the big fish in the small(er) pond. Then U.Dayton added more seating to the arena, Indy priced itself so high for conventions, and Dayton with its enlarged airport has been sitting pretty since. West Coasters still would like a visit occasionally as the San Diego years brought many units who don't travel nationally but also lost out on some of the East Coast and Midwest high schools who fill the annual Dayton-trek each year.

I have always been confused by the Conflict of Interest dimension of judging in our activity, who taught whom back when and judges now, whose kid marches where and the parent/relative is judging them, who teaches at what school and works M-F with which teacher who is teaching this competing unit on the weekend... But look at Cavaliers scores. S. Koter, usually the program director for the design team of Cavies drum corps, scores them well below the other GE judge, in fact has them 12th in Musical component. Never ceases to amaze me.

Great job too to Cadets bumping up to 6th place finish. Both first time in World Class WGI percussion for each corps' ensemble.

Thanks for clearing that up. I usually associate Romeoville from my trips to Lewis University near my sister's. It's quite the ride from my other siblings in Milwaukee. (They gotta go where those college scholarships were offered, met their intended, and stayed.)

Thanks. Here on the East Coast we don't always know what's happening off-season behind the scenes on the West Coast. There have been rumors about the SCV organization, but the birthday dinner celebration seemed to put those to rest. But along comes the WGI score for a corps who is usually a Fred Sanford contender. I realize that many times different staffs teach different kids in different seasons under the same corps banner. Kudos to those organizations who attempt to teach so many in so many different ways.

As I mentioned previously, besides the money the corps can earn from devoting a weekend to parades (4-10K total, minus the gas, food, etc.for the weekend) there is other education going on which is different but still part of Spring training. Corps do not instantly tour successfully overnight. They use experiences like this to work out kinks and gain experience with that corps' travel method rather than the static show up at camp process which has been happening the months before. Take Regiment last year with so many, many, many rookies. In his Jim Jones acceptance speech/Haftime magazine article/and comments with DCI, that winning Conductor (DM for the rest of us) points to the molding of the 150 individuals into a cohesive unit. Learning tour jobs, adapting to different housing situations, discovering which personalities blend well with touring (members, staff, faculty, and volunteers), etc. is all part of the learning curve. Without these "asides" or whatever you call the gigs, the corps education doesn't advance beyond dot pages and the electronic teaching tools utilized today. The travel skill is necessary to tour successfully. While the possibilities of many such gigs arise in some areas (for instance Spartans, Pioneer and Surf seem to thrive on them), it is not a MAJOR financial income. Plus today's drum corps exist for competition first by corps' own priorities of schedules and budget. Lower tier corps often use these opportunities for recruiting opportunities and networking for other types of involvement such as sponsorships and media relations. Your questions harbor back to a previous age but may well need further discussion for the present financial dilemma. I suspect the top dozen corps may have different answers from those not making Finals as the view of the future seems to split along that divide.

Just a question and no disrespect intended. Did Santa Clara strike out (as in baseball) or was there another reason for spending all that money and time coming to Dayton? Was it like the Green Thunder (Cavies junior) breakdown ipreviously or something else? Unusual for both organizations.

Mr. Monk, You are entitled to your opinion. Here is the official DCI statement on which I based my words. Posted by DCI (dci.org) Thursday, April 9, 2015 - 11:35 AM Formed in 1998, Riverside Community College (RCC) Indoor Percussion—which recently joined force with the Blue Devils organizations —has been among WGI’s most successful groups. The WGI Independent World Class (PIW) group has never finished outside the top four, earning four world titles along the way. Read more: http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=7c0a2e2b-8667-44b5-a09a-f2def88dfd15#ixzz3X0vLVADE X again: I have enjoyed RCC every time I have seen them,

Hey, watch that. DCP is a family show. Those Mods are sleeping again. :-D

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Semi Finals World saw some big changes with a different judging slate, different day, same kids. RCC again. Cadets moved up seeveral positions to #7 Cavies complete the dozen Oregon held at 16th Almost got me there with the Orange Country group followed by THE OC group. BK was last in semis. Is Pioneer from Romeoville, Illinois really the drum and bugle corps from the Milwaukee suburbs of Wisconsin, Jeff?

Nah Ghost. When Troops first took this gig, Blue Stars were still Spring Training in Greater Indy area. Bluecoats were less than three hours away to the east, Cavies at Eastern Ill. to the west about the same. Troopers, with consultant Donnie Van Doren from Bloomington, IN, saw a national platform possibility and grapped it. One version of the story I heard was that the corps moved Spring training to take the gig. It also made fly-ins for Spring training easier when matched to the same airport for fly-outs after DCI Finals. America's corps for sure.

Right you are!!! I missed the obvious unless it is spelled out. Apologies to the Oregon Crusaders. Is that the first time on the national scale that you have dwarfed BK and SCV??? Sign of summers to come??? I guess I am still burying some wild memories of my time here http://www.mcmenamins.com/KennedySchool from my last trip here in Portland, Oregon for a friend's wedding party. Great place, great times, great folks,OC.

Yah, I didn't go round and round with the rounds thing but alided to much similar to DCI set up. DCI.org did a nice job of setting the arena with this article. http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=7c0a2e2b-8667-44b5-a09a-f2def88dfd15 My experience is that most DCPers are already on the DCI mailing list and read the DCI emails even before DCP. Good luck, Rookie, with your upcoming season. Wear your sun block and refer to the Spring Training thread here often. P.S. DCI article photo is of Cadets' indoor ensemble who are pictured resembling Hopkins in his early years. Those who cannot grow facial hair don't seem to have made the cut (pun intended.) Only kidding. There are girls in the group too.

hey Cap, It's not just Harloff East and West but Keith Potter designs for both, Danny Wiles is still on Avon's faculty, and, and, and....

Thanks. Not being a zillionaire like yourself, I don't get to interact with those front office financial big wigs like you do. In fact, this year I'll be lucky if I can get to any DCI contest unless I scale a fence to get in past the ticket sentries. Now since I called him John (New things), and you called him John (of the new things) is he related to Mike New, our versitile DCP poster?

So far from the DCI side for drum corps by scores, it's Riverside ("Blue Devils winter program") over Cadets over Cavaliers over Blue Knights with Santa Clara Vanguard in tenth place for prelim rounds.