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A lot of booing during score announcements at DCI Midwest 1981 with a very young Rondo, Jim Peck and Carmine Appice in the booth:
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I was specifically referring to only the ride cymbal feature during the ballad, which many in this thread derided. I think the overall show is still spectacular!
Yes - the cymbal ride specifically. It was a horrible piece of writing in an otherwise spectacular show.
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Maybe a little off topic, but I think a corps should do a Maynard show next season. August 2016 will mark ten years since Maynards passing. I could see BD or Crossmen doing this.
Would LOVE to see Crossmen get back to playing that style again. When the Crossmen sounded like the Crossmen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcgwqwBMvgU
The concert piece from that show (Something) is one of my all time favorite concert numbers
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I'll take the disks any day of the week and twice on Sunday unless or until the digital version was identical quality in picture and sound. But to do that, the file size would be enormous. Typical file size of a 1 disk Blu-Ray movie clone is about 40GB which would take hours to download unless you have an extremely fast connection.
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Our activity is not like sports. Sports have definable scores for definable actions. Drum corps is a new set of subjective eyes awarding subjective points based on a sheet they designed. You can't compare the two, IMO. The "Best" in our activity is the highest score on Saturday night, and I'm really very fine with that.
Very good point. But of course being subjective, "best" is a matter of opinion at least at some level so there will always be disagreements.
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I'll disagree. As penalties can be assessed for many things that may not be caption specific (late to the gate, residue, etc) it should be subtracted from the sub total as it currently is in all cases
Hey - let's keep this G rated.
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Just like sports championships - the champion is not necessarily the "best". The champion is the one who wins the last game/competition.
Were the NY Giants "better" than the undefeated NE Patriots team they beat to win the SB? I doubt that many people would think so, and I'd bet that if they were to play 10 times, the Pats would have won 9 of them.
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Well, those are the rules, and of course BD won fair and square by those rules this year (just as Phantom Regiment won fair and square by those rules in 2008), but . . .
What makes those rules better than what 1956OPR has proposed?
Likewise, what if the caption awards were changed to be based only on the Finals performance rather than three nights? Would that be better or worse than the current system, and why?
Just because it's always been done this way doesn't automatically make it superior to the alternatives.
I do think that captions should be based on finals night only. The reason being that this is a competition, not a tournament or a series. The team that wins the game on Super Bowl Sunday gets the Lombardi.
Is this the best way? I think so, but WTF do I know?
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Can't agree with that. Win the show on Saturday night --> win the title. Period.
And I liked Crown much better than BD this year and was rooting for them to win as hard as anyone was.
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I've joked it's the last Classic not redone. Not sure I want it though. But given the minder, if they do, no ride patterns in the ballad please
That part was pretty awful, wasn't it?
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lol
Maybe we can get the security video at LOS and count each " paying person"
My aunt had that wallpaper in the 70's ;-)
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Thanks, N.E., and while it might be human nature to slather congrats on everything and everyone for being part of the higher attendance ("Just keep doing what they're doing!", some might say), I think it continues to be prudent to try to identify specific things done that can reasonably be attributed to the success. For example:
Did the corps play more "accessible" music? More "fan-friendly", less esoteric shows?
What the competition tighter because of tighter scoring sheets, or mandates to score differently?
Did DCI do something with the schedule that made it easier for fans to attend?
Was it simply the lack of a FN DVR that drove fans to attend shows?
One of the concerns that I have, as a fan and contributor (among other roles) is understanding what was done so that it CAN be duplicated. Is it possible that things would have been even better had DCI/the corps done something different, or the same thing differently?
I'm just cautious of the activity being lulled into complacency and falling backwards for not understanding what drove attendance this year.
In my opinion it is mostly that. Probably not a coincidence that attendance was going down when the shows became less accessible and is going up now that they are far more entertaining.
I was strongly debating whether to continue shelling out the bucks for Friends and all the other expenses associated with traveling to championships because I was bored by most shows - even as a drum corps lifer. If it hadn't begun to turn around a few years ago I don't know if I'd still be going.
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As much as I loved SCV's take on Phantom in '88 and '89 I think they should leave those two shows to speak for themselves. That is a show that barely missed the title in '88 and took it in '89 and is still looked at as one of the all time great shows. To revisit it now would lead to comparisons with the original which are not likely to be favorable. It's hard to compete with an all time great show. And anything less than a title would be seen as a major disappointment and would diminish the legacy of the originals.
When Phantom Regiment resurrected Spartacus in 2008 they were taking a show that was loved at the time but never looked on as an all time great. It can be seen as never achieving its full potential finishing 4th both years they did it (1981 and 1982). By revisiting it in 2008 they were able to breathe new life into it and take it to a place the original never got to.
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Yes, but it would normally be possible to order them by now, wouldn't it?
Yes. Normally you can pre-order them at or before finals - which I have done every year. Usually have gotten the discs by the 2nd week of November.
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I'm just wondering, how far in advance do corps plan their shows? In other words, is it likely Crown, BD, and others already know the concept for next years show?
Didn't GH say that he had wanted to do the Shosty 10th for years but was waiting for a talented enough group to pull it off?
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The "Visual" section on the Crossmen staff web page is now blank. It was not blank yesterday.
Could mean that they haven't re-upped yet, not necessarily that they are gone. Or maybe they are in process of updating website.
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Interesting because according to some people who were "in the know" that I spoke to at the time the Crossmen moved to San Antonio they were supposedly all but set on bringing in the staff who took Crown from middle of the pack to champion and when it fell through they ended up at Crown (and the rest is history). No idea about the validity of that story though.
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For sale: Official judging sheets from finals. Perfect for fish wrap and lining bird cages.
Bridgemen actually did something like that in 1982 in Montreal. They were selling photocopies of the Percussion Execution judge's sheet from a show that year (forget which show) that they got a near perfect 19.9 (a single tic the entire show).
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Perhaps the timing was just coincidental, but Cesario requested the Corps be a bit more fan engaging with their shows a couple of years back. ( DCI was losing fans at the time, and thats never a good busness model for success ) The DCI judging sheets were tweaked a bit with verbiage to add substance to that request of his ( example.. added the words " how compelling is the show to audiences " ?). Shows do seem to have more melody with the brass arrangements with more of the Corps than a few years back,in my assessment. Could the fact that attendance is a bit up the last few years be a result of the fans finding the shows a bit more entertaining, ie " compelling " ? I'll let others here decide for themsrelves on that. But I would say " yes ", on the whole, the shows are a bit more engaging for audiences than a few years ago... and perhaps that is accounting in some ways for the encouraging uptick in attendance of late.
That.
I have to admit that I was beginning to lose interest several years ago and questioning why I was paying thousands of dollars every year (Friends of DCI, hotel, plane fare etc) when I was finding the majority of the shows very boring and unengaging. Well performed - yes, but dull and not entertaining. I think it is a huge part of why my now 22 year old who was going to DCI shows since he was 6 had zero interest in marching when he was old enough - he sat through the shows with dad and was thoroughly bored.
Happily the pendulum has swung back the other way and the past few years I have found the vast majority of the shows top to bottom to be extremely entertaining with only a small handful being "meh".
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OK - I don't pretend to have any ability to listen to something and "hear" a drum corps show buried in it. That said - I think that Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson would be a great place for designers to look for source music - particularly the Bluecoats. Very modern sound with very rich instrumentation that I think would be right in Bloo's wheel house.
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What about a friend source at a bar or some such at a Stadium. ? Can we use that unnamed, anonymous source for citing what we heard, and have that work on here ok ?
I had a drink with a guy at the bar at 2am who is the dog sitter for the next door neighbor of a guy who knows the sister-in-law of the hairdresser of the wife of the drill designer's cousin . . . . and HE said . . . . . .
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I wish I could remember who hit the loudest on the db meter in Allentown that my 14yo was using. He doesn't remember either but someone hit an 84 when everyone else's loudest was in the 70's
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" the loudest chord for 2015 " was the Boston Crusaders vocalist, imo. You could hear her thundering voice chord over the 72 BAC brass in the closer as a matter of fact.
How can a single vocalist sing a chord?
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