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In theory I can understand some of the comments concerning the use of the met becoming counter productive, but I have to ask (and point out) that the top corps ARE making use of the met right up until the LAST day of the season. Seems to be working.
A couple of nights ago I had the pleasure of attending a clinic by a great drummer, Danny Seraphine of Chicago fame, who is still playing really well at age 67. During his clinic he mentioned that in some ways he was a better drummer today than 40 years ago because he felt his sense of time was better. He attributed that to FREQUENT practice with a metronome. He also made a great comment about his personal playing..."I've gone from relying on a great fastball to having a wicked slider." :-)
One of the things that always amazes me in watching the Coats rehearse is how frequently they are discussing and analyzing tempo during runs and that (for example) 206 bpm is not 204-205 or 207-208 bpm.
Is Dr. Beat (and similar) the great rehearsal tool ever invented?
I had the same thought but on further consideration maybe it seems to be "working" because pretty much everyone does it the same way and they are not being held to the same degree of precision and unison playing as in the days of tics. Not suggesting that the lines in the tic system were "better" just that demands and expectations were different. Lines had to be perfectly in sync with each other to avoid a tic and every tic cost them a tenth. With the way shows have evolved over the years I doubt that many (or any) lines today could play with the precision of the tic era lines while running around the field the way they do. Nor do I think that tic era lines could have played their books as cleanly while running all over the field. It's much easier to play cleanly while just going up and down the 50 for the most part. IMO practicing by with Dr. Beat all the time they never develop the listening in skill to the same degree.
Using Danny as an example isn't completely comparable since he doesn't need to play perfectly cleanly with a bunch of other guys playing the same exact part - plus he may well have the click track playing in his headphones as a constant reference while he plays.
I definitely think Dr. Beat has a place, but I think lines have become too dependent on it. On the other hand, it could be that given the style of today's shows it may be that it works better. Having not marched in longer than I'd care to admit I have no real basis to know for sure.
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i think it's a great thing for another reason....
so much of rehearsal now is run with the good doctor blaring through the long ranger, kids can get addicted to it. You can't use it in a show, so i think it's a genius way to wean them off of it before a show
My thoughts exactly. I think that spending the majority of rehearsal with an artificial time keeper is counterproductive. It trains you to listen to the metronome as your reference rather than listening in and watching the DM. So come show time when there is no metronome you are forced to perform differently than you did in rehearsal.
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How I know I haven't marched in 10 years....when corps are referred to as "very young" and I think "aren't they all very young"?
Imagine how you'll feel when you haven't marched in 30 years. I knew I was getting old the year I realized that there was nobody marching who had been born yet when I marched my last show.
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for Montreal all non finalist corps had to buy tickets to get in. hence the large number
I was in Montreal in '82 with Philadelphia PAL Cadets. If my alzheimers rattled brain isn't mistaken, I think we had to pay $1 to get in for finals to sit backfield. Of course as the show went on me and the guys I was with gradually worked our way around until we were on the 50 for the last few corps.
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...and it shouldn't either, imo. Many of these artists were not rich in some cases when they wrote the piece. It was they that took the heavy risk to continue in their craft when others told them to abandon Music or the Arts for something less insecure as an occupation. Most artists, composers, etc in the Arts die penniless, or in need of their fellow citizen's benevolence to allow them to have a roof over their heads, and not starve to death. Some composers don't fit this profile, of course, but many do. Besides, it is the very existence of the US Constitutional protections of copywrites of the invention that allows people to pursue risky careers in the Arts, Music, etc in the first place. ( or entrepreneurs in self employment small businesses to devise a new wackadoodle ) Take away or diminish the protection rights of the inventor to control the revenues and the rights to his invention, and we'd have less inventors, and more people sitting in small cubicles at Fortune 500 Companies drawing a stable, but small paycheck, while losing functional brain cells with each boring year. Remember, it is the writer of the music, or the inventor of the invention, that worked tirelessly in that risky endeavor.. not the guy who comes along later and wants to use that guys creation willy nilly, and then complains that it costs too much, or the creator is selfish or whatever. If some less risk tolerant person does not want to use somebody's else's hard work piece and pay for it, then let them write their own music and use that, and stop whining and complaining. ( and several DCI Music Composers do precisely that already, ie write their own music. ).
I agree up to a point. I don't see the need for the composers great-great-great grandkids to keep exclusive rights. Earlier I gave the example of pharmaceutical patents. Being that drug companies are in general multi-billion dollar behemoths maybe that comparison while apt may not have been best example.
The same concept would apply to small time inventors. Like composers most probably struggle financially and are "encouraged" to get "real jobs". If they get lucky and come up with something that is actually viable and lucrative they will receive a payday - the size depending on the marketability of the product. They are protected by patent exclusivity for a time when no one else can copy the product without compensating them (except the Chinese of course who pirate everything). When the patent expires - it's up for grabs - just like public domain music. Unlike music, their exclusivity is generally 20 years total with no chance of extending it except in few instances. With current music copyright laws, music exclusivity lasts ###### nearly forever.
Just seems out of whack to me.
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The DCI logo would be in the middle of the field, not some horseshoe. The logos of all then-current corps would also be placed in the end-zones.
That's a really cool idea. I'm almost 100% certain I remember at least one year at LOS where the Colts helmet was NOT painted on the field.
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In the case of Crown, is Beethoven's music copyrighted? If not, what copyright laws are we violating watching their show?
I'm just wondering, I really don't know how this all works.
Doubt that the Beethoven has any copyright, but I'm sure the Copeland does.
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Looks like it was the lysdexia and not the alzheimers this time.
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It was a great view! (I was in the Omni, too, in a corner room on the 10th floor, directly over the plaza).
What's curious to me is that you and I, and how many others?, chose to not go down to the plaza. It was a great view, but it was terrible sound - as in, NO sound; the windows didn't open - yet we, and I suspect, many others didn't go down to watch in person.
As I watched from the room I remembered when, last year, we couldn't get into the stands as it was packed solid, and we were stuck 8 or 10 deep in the standing room only crowd. This year, the stands were not full until the 3rd or 4th unit came on and there was not a standing-room-only crowd packed around the plaza. Made me wonder if the attraction had lost appeal considering the record attendance for finals.
I don't think it's lack of interest. I think it's to avoid the conditions you mentioned you experienced last year. I didn't go to SS or DLB this year because the venue is just too darned crowded (especially Georgia Street) and makes for an unpleasant experience for me and my family.
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Has DCI released this year's paid attendance?
Brandt announced it at the show. Was 22k and change. If my failing memory serves it was 22,805.
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Next year is the big one for BK. Some corps will get to around 6th or so and then fizzle back out, we shall see. What I think separate BK from those corps is they just seemed to have a distinct maturity to them this past season and have really found their identity.
Crossmen have done precisely that acoupla times.
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Maybe they are finally starting to convince some of the "vast pool" of Texas marchers (that was one of the big selling points that was put forward to justify the move from Philly) that they don't need to go out of state for a top quality drum corps experience.
But I'd still use my $100 million to bring them home.
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OK - my $0.02
Do copyright holders have the right to be compensated for their creative works - darn tootin' they do.
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The length of time they are granted those exclusive rights is simply ludicrous. I mean, c'mon - as much as 120 YEARS???
Let's compare to the pharmaceutical industry. New drugs are granted exclusivity for 20 YEARS AFTER INVENTION. That's INVENTION, not for sale on the market. Your average drug takes 8-10 years and millions (and sometimes tens of millions) of dollars to develop and bring to the market. That is 8-10 years of the exclusivity gone during development. And the vast majority of compounds being developed never come to market so the millions invested in them go down the toilet.
Now don't get me wrong - this isn't to say that pharmaceutical companies aren't obscenely profitable with what they do, they are. But to suggest that composers should have up to 120 years of exclusivity for their compositions but pharmaceutical companies only get 10-12 years (which is all that is typically left of the 20 years if/when a drug gets approved for sale) on a drug they expended years of research and millions of dollars to develop is beyond insane.
Looking at it a different way - if the rules applied to drugs like they do to music, every drug developed last century (including penicillin) would still be under patent and there would be no generics. If you think drugs are expensive now, can you imagine how much higher it would be without the generics?
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OK, Official Thread Drift: You remind me of a story about retreats...
Garfield went on to their highest placement ever in 3rd, while the Vanguard made the largest drop ever for a defending champion, finishing 7th that year. Many of you may know what was coming next for the Cadets in 1983. Winner!
SCV finished 2nd in 1982 - the year of the train wreck Bottle Dance tag in Montreal.
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Are the guys playing (especially the guy talking about it at his desk) anyone I should recognize?
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It's all part of the conspiracy.
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First thing I'd do is buy and then move The Crossmen back to Philly where they belong.
Second thing I'd do is buy The Cadets and move them to San Antonio to see how George likes it.
JK about the 2nd part (sort of
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The only winner is BD.
Not so. Every kid that marched and everyone who went to a show or watched a live stream and was entertained are winners.
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like the Philadelphia Eagles fans who once pelted Santa Claus with beer bottles and iceballs at a game.
Being from Philly I can't tell you how tired and cliched that whole "they booed Santa Claus" is. The only reason it still has legs is because of the lazy national so-called media who like to have canned BS to spew rather than do any real journalism.
First - it happened about 50 years ago. Second it was a historically bad team at the end of a dreadfully bad season who were lured out by management to a game with the promise of a "Christmas Spectacular" at halftime. Despite a massive snow storm lots of people went to the game for the halftime show (not to see one of the worst teams in the history of the NFL). The show that was put on was as bad as the team - if not worse. And the Santa was some skinny kid (who by some accounts was falling over drunk, but those accounts may or may not be accurate) in a dirty, dingy Santa suit who was in the stands - not meant to be part of the show. When the Santa the team had hired was a no-show they grabbed that kid and threw him in.
Now you tell me: In what city would the fans NOT boo and throw snowballs when they show up in a snow storm to see a "spectacular" at half time only to be presented with a show worse than the local kindergarten pageant?
BTW - that infamous Santa died earlier this year. In many interviews over the years he was very open about how bad the show was, how bad his Santa was and that if he had been in the crowd he would have booed himself too.
Oh - and there were no beer bottles or ice balls thrown. It was boos and some snowballs.
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"If I can dodge an axe, I can dodge a sphere. Right?"
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Tresona is very likely the devil.
(wish there was a more evil looking devil)It is going to kill our activity, either through astronomical copyright fees or through destroying the history of the activity.
I'm a high school band director who saw our copyright fees go from < $700 last season to > $2200 this season. This is unsustainable for most groups. And now that they are the managing firm for ALL copyright requests, they can determine (read: assure) that copyright fees ascend to whatever price point they deem to be acceptable to them.
Is this correct? I would define that as a monopoly if this is the case which is illegal. I'm sure they've found some way to get around it though.
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Trying to find out if the Mummers still sell CDs/DVDs from the Show of Shows..... should be next on the hit list....
If you think corps and band people can express displeasure, let's all go to South Phila-ma-delphia... err Filth-a-delphia..... you know where I mean....
few more months and the his n hers Flyers shirts come back out.... *hoo boy*
Looking forward to this season. I have high hopes for Hakstol.
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The age only gets me when they say they only accept people 17+ in that group. Why can't people adhere to their own rules?
Little kid, or not...People marching a season with one corps and being able to join with another corps? I can't stand behind that rule. Because of the fact it's BDC vs BDA doesn't change my opinion on the matter. One corps, one season.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the young snare drummer from the You Tube videos at age 11 who finally marched with BDA last year and profiled on CBS news only 16 last year? If so, seems to me that their "17-21" is a guideline and not a hard and fast policy.
As a private organization they can do whatever they want up to and including changing their own rules on the fly as long as they remain within the rules of the governing body (DCI)
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If you are pulling our collective leg I will never forgive you.
Scout's Honor - that is a direct paraphrase of what he told me.
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Paid attendance figures for DCI World Championships
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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I don't know this but I'd guess that the discount for Indy residents is one of the conditions of DCI's contract with the city.