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    Corps That Made Top 12 Once?

    Dave Hill wrote their show. Mike Kumer did the percussion. Frank Pamper did the drill. Jim Unrath was the corps director.
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    Corps That Made Top 12 Once?

    Des Plaines Vanguard placed 7th in 1972.
  3. Can anyone provide some history on St. Rose? It seems that they were only around for a couple of years. I remember standing on the starting line watching them at Detroit VFW Nationals in 1960. We (Vanguards) were impressed. They had that great Al Saia sound and a very open style drill. We particularly liked their arrangement of "Song of India." I may be wrong on this, but I think that Jerry Shelmer was their drum instructor. Anyhow, where did they come from? Why did they break up? Where did their membership go?
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    Freelancers in 1984 movie

    Mr. Saia also wrote for the St. Rose Scarlet Lancers and St. Mary's Cardinals. He had an interesting style. His use of harmony sopranos was unique. Sort of haunting. In 1961-1962 (I think) I heard that he was using some baritones with soprano mouthpieces. He voice them like mellophones. An innovative and very talented guy.
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    Corps Pond -ering

    The best corps manager I ever had the pleasure of working with was Jim Unrath, of the Des Plaines Vanguard. A great organizer, cheerleader, facilitator, musician and all around exceptionally intelligent guy. Great sense of humor too.
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    Corps Pond -ering

    John Thirion arranged for and instructed the Des Plaines Vanguard drum line in 1968 and 1969. He was an acoustic engineer by training. John also spent a lot of time working with the engineers at Ludwig Drum. He and Hy Dreitzer collaborated numerous times trying to work the tympanis and other tuned drums into his arrangements. Interesting times for the Des Plaines Vanguard members and staff.
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    Corps Pond -ering

    The first time I recall hearing Mellophones was at the 1964 VFW National prelims. A corps named Tri-Community _____ had them. At first I thought that they were French Horns on steroids. Prior to that, I was very familiar with the outstanding mellophone section of the Stan Kenton orchestra.
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    The Des Plaines Vanguard marched a single tri-drum in 1968. In 1969, they eliminated tenor drums and instead used three tri-drummers. The Cavaliers marched a single three drum apparatus in 1968. We referred to them as "bubble drums" because they had rounded, clear plexiglass bottoms.
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    Contributions to Innovation

    The Norwood Park Imperials were doing a sunburst maneuver in 1959. The tune was "Daybreak." They may have done this in '58 too.
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    Corps Pond -ering

    Des Plaines Vanguard used them in 1968. Possibly the Royal Airs
  11. Game changer? Or the final nail in the D&BC coffin?
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    1964 VFW Inspections

    It was a slap in the face to every corps member who worked so hard to prepare for inspection. A terrible decision.
  13. The Madison Scouts used glockenspeils in the 1950s. The Quincy, IL Debutantes used a gong and a glock 1958 ('59?).
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    Switching Corps

    After 1962, it was very rare for anyone to leave the Vanguard to join another corps. I can only recall one member from that era leaving to join another corps. When members left, it was the end of their Jr. Corps experience.
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    Blessed Sacrament Golden Knights

    In 1965, Dreitzer arranged "When the Saints go Marchin' in" for the Vanguard. Then in 1969 the Skyliners played a terrific, but decidedly different rendition. Hy was one of a kind. Creative/innovative.
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    Blessed Sacrament Golden Knights

    Hy arranged "Luck be a lady" and "Bill Bailey" for us in 1964. He continued writing and teaching for the corps into the1969 season. I was in the Vanguard in 1963. We were relatively young, and we were exhausted when we arrived for the show. (No excuses offered.) It was not our best effort of that season. A majority of those young Vanguards were still with them into the late 1960s.
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    Most Successful Corps BY State

    I remember watching the Magnificent Yankees compete at the 1965 VFW Nationals in Chicago. Very impressive! They played a difficult book back then.
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    Don't You Miss.....

    Real color guards. Flag code, inspections Patriotic flag presentation numbers. "Ungrounded" instruments. Rudimental drumming. Military footwork.
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    Most Successful Corps BY State

    I can recall seeing members in their military uniforms marching. I cannot come up with specifics. (Which corps? Which years?) Maybe someone else can provide some details. I was in the Army in 1967 and attended several Des Plaines Vanguard appearances. I wore an Army summer khaki dress uniform to a couple of them. I was on staff, and not a marching member.
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    Most Successful Corps BY State

    The Milstadt Crusaders put out several pretty respectable corps over the years. They were not far from Belleville, IL. I knew Mr. Creson (founder and manager of BK) slightly and was hoping to have the oppty to work with their horn line in the mid' sixties, but the Army had other plans.
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    Most Successful Corps BY State

    Belleville BKs were mentioned in KeithHalls' original posting. I remember them well. They were one of my favorite corps in the late fifties and early sixties. Very classy, and innovative.
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    Most Successful Corps BY State

    Illinois: Des Plaines Vanguard Royal Airs Guardsmen Norwood Park Imperials
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    What City.....?

    Looking at the map - The Des Plaines Vanguard, the Rosemont Cavaliers and the Schaumburg Guardsmen were all within about 8-10 miles of each other. Prior to DCI, there were the Norwood Park Imperials and the Royal Airs within the same vicinity. The Chicago area was loaded with major and minor corps.
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    List of drum corps circuits

    Illinois Drum and Bugle Corps Association IDBCA
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    Favorite OTL (or Opening Music)

    I would add the Des Plaines Vanguard "Man of Lamancha" opening from both 1967 and 1968. But, of course, I'm a little biased.