lunga tromba

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  1. lunga tromba

    started on G baritone bugle

    Thanks for the reply. It has 3 valves. At this point, I think I understand transposition better. I'm going to continue to play straight off sheet music written for C instruments like fake books. I play on off the treble clef, and sound an octave lower. So when I see a written middle C, I press the first valve and sound C3. Now my question is about which fingerings I should use. For example, starting from C and going up through the scale, should I press 1, 0, 12, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1? Or should I press 1, 13, 12, 1, 0, 1, 0, 13? I sound the same pitch for D3 whether I press no valves, or 1-3, and I also sound C4 with the valve 1 or 1-3. F4 is also 1 or 1-3. Is there an advantage to one fingering or the other? I'm trying to understand the overtone series, and how to choose the fingering. I'd also like the fingerings for higher and lower, because I can't sound them yet. I'm able to play the following fingerings, but it gets sketchy in the low and high ends. E2 F2 G2 A2 B2 C3 D3 E3 F3 F3# G3 A3 B3 C4 D4 E4 F4 F#4 G4 A4 12 1 0 13 12 1 0 12 1 2 0 1 0 1 0 12 1 2 1 1 13 23 13 13 23 I haven't really out all the sharps and flats either. I can play in G major.
  2. lunga tromba

    started on G baritone bugle

    This is exactly how I've been playing. But I find most popular music on the TC only goes down as low as middle C (1), and it it is frequently written up to the G above the staff (G5) which is a bit difficult for me at this stage even though I am sounding an octave lower (G4). I follow your fingering from written middle C (1), D (0), E (1-2), F#(2), G(0), but when I get to the next A (written A4, sounding A3), pressing only the first valve is easier to play than pressing 1-3. And to sound B3, I play it with no valves (0). It will sound the same pitch with 1-2 but it seems easier to play with less tubing. I do have a third valve, but I find the C Major Scale plays better with only the first two valves: 1, 0, 1-2, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1. I play G Major Scale 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1-2, 2, 0. As for playing it transposed, the way I understand it was played in Drum Corps, I'm still trying to understand that. You wrote, " Low C (grand staff middle C) on the clef is concert G." If I understand that right, I see middle C written, and I sound G2(with fingering 0). So let's say I want to play Joy to the World, "CBAGFEDCGAABBC." Do I look at those notes on the sheet and sound GF#EDCBAGDEEF#F#G? Or do I get out my pencil and write the bugle part so it is written F#EDCBAGF#CDDF#F#G, and then when I play it, it sounds CBAGFEDCGAABBC? If the latter is true, then I need music that is written for G bugle whether I source it that way or just transpose/rewrite it myself. If the former is true, then I just sound an octave and a perfect fourth lower than what is written. Sounding an octave lower than written is fine. What are the ramifications of sounding an octave and a perfect fourth lower than written? How does that work in a band? Do I need to compensate for that fourth by transposing the sheet music, or do I still sound ok because the notes are within the harmonic series? I am not concerned about compatibility with Bb. I am much more likely to be playing solo or with instruments in concert pitch: guitar, bass, keyboard, and vocals (and drums). A fake book is exactly what I'm likely to be looking at. I should get one of those.
  3. lunga tromba

    started on G baritone bugle

    I just started playing a baritone G bugle. I was hoping there might be some people familiar with the instrument that could give me some pointers. I'm not involved in or near any corps at all, just playing a bugle. It plays an octave and a perfect fifth below a C trumpet. So it's an additional two semitones lower than a Bb horn. It uses a short shank trombone mouthpiece, but has a .560 bore that's more conical. For now I am playing using concert pitch on the treble clef. So for example, written EEFGGFEDCCDEEDD or is played with fingerings 12 12 1 0 0 1 12 0 1 1 0 12 12 0 0, so it sounds exactly as it is written, but one octave lower. So written G4 on the second line of the treble clef is played with no keys pressed, and sounds G3. Technically, most of the notes I am actually playing would be written on or just above the bass clef, but I play off the treble clef because it's simple to find the melody for popular music. I can play off common piano and guitar sheet music. I read that most G soprano bugle players simply play the treble clef with the same fingerings as a Bb trumpet. The result would be their pitch sounding 2 semitones below a Bb trumpet (for a soprano bugle, and for G mellopone bugles), and the baritone and euphoniums would sound an octave and 2 semitones lower than a Bb trombone for a given note. Because the bugle choir was all pitched in G, I guess it could be made to work. I have to imagine the music was arranged for the G horns, but if it was, I don't know why they didn't just write in the bass clef, or perhaps ideally, either the alto or tenor clef. Can anyone clarify how the baritones were played in G? I think what makes most sense for me is to read the treble clef written for concert pitch and just sound an octave lower. While it may not be too hard to find popular music for the trombone, usually written on the bass clef, sometimes it's a lower brass part, and not the melody. I don't currently play with a band, and don't have any intention to join an orchestra. I live in a rural area and there's nothing local other than the high school band. I perform primarily on the street, at local events, and traveling to cities. I play mostly solo, so that's why I'd probably play the lead/melody part off the treble clef. I've just figured out the valve fingering and made myself a chart, but I have some trouble with the lower and higher registers and it's not clear what the fingering should be since I can't sound those notes properly anyway. I can play G2 to A4. I can sound down to F1, but I don't have any articulation with those pedal tones. I'm more interested in the higher register. For the time being, I'm playing mostly up to E3. I need to work on F3 through A4. If anyone has fingering charts, I'd appreciate that especially if they cover the lower and upper registers. Coming up here pretty soon, I'm going to want to be playing on the street at night for holiday events. It's going to be below freezing, and I'll need a new mouthpiece. My horn came with a 6 1/2 AL. I've had a hard time finding a Kelly that size in anything but Punk Pink. I put in an order for a green 12C. I guess I'll get to try a shallower mouthpiece and see what I like better.