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4 minutes ago, Cappybara said:
That title goes to the Cadets. Honestly other than 2007 and 2011, Crown’s shows haven’t been overly cheesy, they’ve just had a lot of “feel good” endings that have been tastefully done. I actually really liked Crown’s show designs before their staff got poached by Boston’s slush fund
I don’t really for the narration this year, but this is the first show post-poaching that I’ve actually really enjoyed from Crown and I really do find it hard to believe they’ll finish outside of the top 2
I loved their 2007 show. I knew that year something special was in the making for them. Cheesy yes, but I still loved it. Then they gave us such sophistication in 2008 and it was marvelous.
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2 minutes ago, saxfreq1128 said:
Which is why I advise a ceasefire. 🙂 For one thing, it isn’t just BD fans who poke fun at Crown. Look at all the debate over Crown’s app; that’s not limited to any one faction. But yeah, if you force this to become a matter of blow-by-blow comparison, people will definitely point out Crown’s supposed “flaws” — if you make it seem like it’s a bad thing that BD is inspired by theater, people are gonna point out how Crown’s show this year steals from a sister activity like BOA, and they’ll argue that one is ultimately more adventurous than the other. And then they’ll point out how Crown has *also* been inspired by theater, movies, literature, etc. etc. etc. — “Relentless” is a great example, and so is the entire show they did that was inspired by Dante. If you make ‘Moon* River’ seem like a problem, then isn’t ‘Also Sprach Zarathustra’ a problem? Or Beethoven’s 9th? Or ‘For the Common Man’? No, right? So why even go there?
As a fan of a corps that’s been accused of rinse/repeat park/blow yadda yadda for over 20 years, I have to tell you, Crown isn’t even catching that much heat!! So just enjoy it!
Most corps aren't original. They are borrowing from each other, from the stage, from film, and from BOA. He wasn't targeted by Devils fans. He was saying dumb ####, once again, and people (including I, a non-Devils fan) called him out. He couldn't handle the heat.
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Just now, OldSnareDrummer said:
Ok, I dig Crown this year, but that was funny. LOL
Like those dadgum self-check-out thingies at grocery stores. Every time I see one of those things I think, good grief, people can't even operate an ATM, how friggin long do I have to wait for grandma to figure this thing out?
Hahaha. So true about the self-check-outs.
I know more people who don't know how to use their phones than do. It's a hopeless cause.
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20 minutes ago, Cappybara said:
Sorry to hear that. Hope you find that safe space you need. Perhaps the crown thread?
There isn't safety to be found on DCP.
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1 hour ago, Incognito365 said:
Right here, Right Now will evolve and while there will always be haters, there will be some who come out at seasons end that say "I knew this show would *insert placement here* when I first saw this show", and us Crownies will be the first to call bull****. Lol.
Just stop. You were the one in 2019 after Allentown trying to school everyone by saying "I told you so." You told us nothing - Crown still finished 4th and you were wrong. You have a huge Crown bias and it clouds your judgement.
And, as I recall in 2019, nearly everyone, including I, was saying Crown was going to finish 4th (for practically the entire season), exactly where they finished. YOU were the one who said ALL SEASON LONG Crown had a shot to win, and after Allentown you claimed they were surging and had a chance to win. LOL, indeed.
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My Tiers
Tier 1: Bluecoats and Blue Devils
Tier 2: Vanguard and Crown
Tier 3: Boston and Cavies
Tier 4: Blue Stars, Regiment, Mandarins (and perhaps Cadets and Blue Knights)
Tier 5: Madison, Crossmen and Colts
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4 minutes ago, Incognito365 said:
It's because I believe Phantom has longer legs than Blue Stars. Plus I just do not care for Blue Stars show this year. I'm over the French themes from them. Give me Moulin Rouge or even Beauty and the Beast if you're going to do French. I just think they've beaten a dead horse at this point.
Phantom is on the up and up, and I believe will separate themselves from Blue Stars as the season progresses.
I agree Phantom is on the up and up, but the only reason they are currently beating the Blue Stars is because of Blue Stars percussion scores.
Blue Stars show isn't a French show. War & Peace is Russian and the music is largely by Russian composers. Of course, the story chronicles Napoleon's invasion of Russia, but it's a Russian story, not a French one.
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1 hour ago, Incognito365 said:
Oh yeah, it'll work. I have a Motorola G Power 2021 and it works great. The issue is off brand phones, people not leaving their ring volume down and only needing to turn up their media volume, and people not giving the technology a chance to work properly and instead writing it off only a week after it released.
LOL. So people have to have a lesson in how to use their phones right for the app to work. Sorry, but most people don't know how to change their media volume and not their ring volume. Maybe Crown should hand out "how to use your phone" manuals at their shows. The whole concept is frankly stupid.
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28 minutes ago, Luke4496 said:
Anyone else have issues with the rebroadcast? How is it that I can play the live shows 100% fine but not a rebroadcast?
Yep. I got frustrated and stopped watching.
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2 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
I loved Rach Star and that was as cheesy as hell. Someone said too cheesy to me back then and I said bring on the cheese. I’m not sure about this one. Like someone else said here, maybe it will grow on me.
Oh, yeah, I loved Rach Star too. It was so cheesy but it was so good. I loved all their shows 2006 - 2016. They were probably my favorite corps during that stretch, but the 4 I mentioned are really my favorites, especially 2009. That was so glorious in every way.
2008 was stunning too. I was so happy for that show to crack into the top 4 with that massive 96.8 that was only topped when Vanguard got 4th in 2013 with a 96.85.
I wasn't crazy about 2017, and didn't like 2018 in the least, but 2019 was another sensational show.
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2 minutes ago, Vidal28Rdg said:
BD has all of their fairly unique visual intricacies, and they definitely deserve all their props they’re given in that area, nearly untouchable in percussion, but their whole musical program doesn’t really blow me away and it doesn’t even really scream *GE MONSTER* that many would say it *clearly* is, at least to me. The changes they make will at least be well-thought out, but my overall impression is currently an “ehhh” with occasional “ooohs” mixed in.
This is me every year. I am never really much a fan of their musical program, but it's because I love classical music and enjoy those types of shows much better. I was a fool for a long time counting Devils out and I'm never going to make that mistake again.
I would LOVE to see them out of the top 3, but I don't think it's going to happen this year.
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39 minutes ago, saxfreq1128 said:
Then I fear you may be misreading, friend. Didn’t you start that discussion by saying BD forgot how to write a show this year because Broadway was closed? You know you were poking the bear. Come on.
Crown is definitely good enough to praise on its own merits. They’re clearly a contender. I’ve been praising them all season and have managed to leave BD out of it. If I can do that, and I’m a BD fan, why can’t you? If you’re that confident about Crown, act like it.
George is clueless. The best thing you can do is ignore him. He is wrong all the time, and is a Devils hater. I'm a Devils hater too, but at least I can admit it. I spewed B.S. about the Devils for years and I was wrong. They have deserved everything they have gotten. Since 2007, they have been the best corps hands down. Until (if it ever happens) the Devils slide down the rankings, they are the corps to beat - year after year.
It will be interesting to see how this Crown show evolves over the season. I'm not a fan of the voiceovers, but they music book and drill are so fun and interesting. I'm going to have to go back and watch 2009, 2012, 2013 and 2015 today. My four favorite Crown shows. I remember tweeting them after 2009 finals "You make me miss Star of Indiana a little less." So true. They remind me so much for them with that sensational brass line.
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Just now, Vidal28Rdg said:
Fair assessment, I’m much in the camp of what you dislike and enjoy from programs and shows, the visual design/GE elements don’t really hit me nearly as hard as what I’m hearing. We’ll just have to see when we have SEVERAL shows where these top 3 are together to see where corps are doing well and where they aren’t according to judges. We’ll get to see where SCV and BD are to each other and Bloo and Crown are fairly often before that, but even then I’d be wary. Might be one of those seasons where it all comes down to 1 or two captions. It’s TBD for me as of now
That's a fair assessment. I do focus more on the design than the music (as much as I'm a music lover). My favorites this year are Crown and Regiment (I love both visually and musically) and Bluecoats visually. It is such a visually feast IMO. I only heard Bluecoats once and have seen more a Crown or Regiment, and was really focused on Bluecoats visually, so I'll have to get more familiar with them musically.
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10 hours ago, Incognito365 said:
You're literally judging a show "through a video that is delivered over WiFi through FloMarching that sometimes has issues of its own" as well. Sorry, but you can't jump someone for something when you're doing the same exact thing. Pot meet kettle.
Also, the same people that are saying Bloo has a better design are the same people that said the exact same thing in 2017 when Crown was 3rd and Bloo sat out on medaling. This crown show will medal. It's in contention to win, like it or not. I knew people would try to tear it apart with them having not been at the Tour Premiere per usual, and the hype that was seen in the Crown thread.
As for the app, every piece of technology has it's bugs that need to be fixed. When Bloo came out in 2014 they had electronic issues half the season, and did every year until 2018. Give Crown time to sort the app out. As for phone ringers going off, people need to realize you need to turn the media volume up on their phones, not the ringer volume. That's a personal error. People also need to realize, like I've said before, that their cheap *** government phones aren't going to run the app correctly and sit it out. Experience it from their neighbors phone.
Rant over.
Last time I'm touching these subjects this season. I'm just gonna start hitting the ignore button when people want to sound like a broken record.
1. I wasn't jumping on someone. I was asking them a question. A legitimate question. I think asking someone how they can judge a brass performance through a video streaming over the internet is valid. I can't, so I want to know how someone else thinks they can.
2. I am not doing the same thing. I am judging the overall design of the show, not the technical performances. Big difference. Design doesn't get distorted through a video, or rely on speaker placement, speaker volume and equipment failure. I don't have to be down on the field in close proximity to the individual to assess the design, like I would to assess the performances. I've said not one thing about anyone's technical performance or abilities, other than I think Crown's guard and hornline are sensational. I believe design takes a huge precedence when it comes to judging, and I believe Blue Devils and Bluecoats designs are far superior to Crown's, in the sense as to what the judges reward.
3. Why does being critical about something equate to hate? The two biggest elements I hate about modern drum corps are the lack of interesting and challenging drill and the lack of sustainable melodic music. Who has interesting and challenging drill and sustainable melodic music? Crown. So, I far from hate them. They are one of my favorites. I would love it if they won. It would be great for this activity if they won. But they didn't win in 2019 because of their design and I don't believe they are going to win in 2022 because of their design. It's not what the judges reward, in my opinion, unless something changes this year.
4. Crown may medal. Not will, may. Crown may be in contention to win, but I think it's going to be extremely tough for them. The design is just not what gets rewarded, plain and simple. Go back and watch the top 4 from 2019 and you'll see the one thing that differentiated them - design. While talent kept Crown in the top 4, design kept them out of the top 3. Broken record, yes, because Crown just isn't getting it. Either that, or they want to play to the fans and not the judges.
5. Bluecoats will likely medal. Bluecoats will likely be in contention to win.
6. Blue Devils will medal. Blue Devils will be in contention to win.
Lastly, if you want to ignore me fine but that's too bad. It's too bad we can't have a discussion. People disagree with me all the time and that's part of the fun. There are plenty of people being critical about Vanguard and I'm not crying. In fact, the more I have watched Vanguard's show, the more I agree with them.
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18 minutes ago, B-Flat said:
Well they have had an entire week to finish it, so they better lol. I think it will close the gap with BD to .5. I also think Crown will be over Bloo by .5 tomorrow.
I hope you're right on both accounts, especially Vanguard, but I am not optimistic that Vanguard or Crown will beat Bluecoats or Blue Devils at all this season.
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43 minutes ago, Hook'emCavies said:
And Cavies 2010... lol! Heck and Cadets 2011. Anyways, I haven't seen anything and I have that feeling too. Idk, could be wrong, but you never know.
You are wrong. Remember - 11th place. 🙂
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10 minutes ago, CAtenhut said:
YUP... They should've beaten Cavies by more. Only 0.7 ahead in GE and 0.3 in brass are low. Cavies brass was dirtier tonight than on Tues and should not have been that close. It's just my opinion... Like everyone else here. 🤷🏻♂️
I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. You're judging brass through a video that is delivered over WiFi through FloMarching that sometimes has sound issues of its own. You really can't do that. You're not down on the field. You're not listening to the individual performances. You're not in the stadium. I was in the brassline of a corps that won DCI Finals and I don't feel qualified to judge brass. How does anyone on here feel they are qualified?
I will admit that spread surprised me as well, but I'm not qualified to judge brass.
On GE - there's so much more to it than just entertainment value.
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Just now, spacewill said:
We will see. I love blue coats normally but hate their show this year. And disnt find BDs show to be anything special. But the judges always have their vision that isnt always matching of the audience. Tmrw will give us a great insight into what resonates more with them.
Agree with you again, except this is my favorite Bluecoats show ever. It's going to turn me into a Bluecoats fan. It's so beautiful visually and interesting. Musically too, and they have a great guard. Devils show is just so well designed and of course all the mumbo jumbo about them having a down year before the season started was unfounded.
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1 minute ago, spacewill said:
Maybe, maybe they tweak it. Either way I found the playing and marching to be the best so far. I know people keep saying the blues, but I dont find anything interesting with either the bluecoats or devils and found crown to be downright amazing. But its always about what judges want.
I agree with you completely. I like Bluecoats and Devils enough, especially visually. Crown was more exciting to me, because of the fast drill, the continuous marching and their great guard book. But, to your point, it's not about us, it's about the judges. I mean, maybe Crown is playing to us and realizing that's to their detriment score and placement wise. I just think with their design, it's going to be a tough road for them to get 3rd, much less 1st or 2nd.
To all who disagree - go back and rewatch the top 4 from 2019 - you'll see what differentiated Crown from Vanguard, Bluecoats and Devils, and what kept Crown out of the top 3 - design.
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3 minutes ago, Big Bird said:
The Blue Devils and the Bluecoats are probably the two best corps at adding to their show throughout the season and pacing as to not peak too early. I find it ridiculous and naive to say that those two shows can’t go as far as crowns. If crown is to win gold, they will have to earn it and it will not be easy. Their path to winning gold will have to be through winning multiple non-GE captions imo and hoping that the GE gap isn’t too large to overcome
Exactly. Look at what Devils did last year. I saw them in Stanford and their show was really a stinker. I wasn't too impressed with Vanguard either, but thought Devils might be in trouble. Then look what happened. Their show was spectacular by finals and they won.
Crown's going to have to win Music and do better than Bluecoats and Devils in either GE or Visual, and I just don't think that's going to happen - much like 2019.
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God, I love this show. It was so fun to watch. I do not think the voiceovers are effective and they are unnecessary, but my goodness - that hornline, that drill, and that guard. Truly so fun to see them tonight.
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Just now, spacewill said:
Nope, give them 6 weeks and by finals the crowd will know exactly how to respond!
But the crowd should have to be taught how to respond. It should come naturally, and it's best to come naturally. I think this is going to be a problem for them all season. Aside from Night Beat, their appeals to clap are going to fall on deaf years. If I was at the show, I'd think, "awkward."
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Just now, spacewill said:
So many interesting takes, but no way the two blues are top. Crowns show has way more to it and has more to clean up than either blue. If crown can keep cleaning it up then this show can get them their 2nd title.
We had two Blues on top in 2019 and I think it's going to be a repeat of that this year. I thought the same thing about Crown in 2019 - they have so much more clean then either Blue and they couldn't climb out of 4th. Why? Because of design. It's the same problem this year. Design.
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14 minutes ago, CAtenhut said:
When you look at some of the sub captions, no way Crown was only 3 pts ahead of Cavies. I think Crown beats Bloo this weekend.
What are you basing it on that Crown should be more than 3 points ahead of Cavaliers? I happen to trust a group of people that are much more qualified than I to give Crown and Cavies the correct scores.
Crown may beat Bluecoats this weekend, but I don't think so. Even if they do, it won't last long. Bluecoats show design is miles better than Crown's (at least based on what the judges like). I like Crown's show, overall, more than Bluecoats, but liking something and what the judges do are two completely different things. I've learned that the hard way, it it took many times and many disappointments for me to learn that lesson.
To me Crown tops Bluecoats musically, but Bluecoats destroy them visually and from an overall concept and design point of view.
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Carolina Crown 2022
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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I agree. I love the show. I'm disappointed with the rebroadcast today, because I really wanted to watch the final three. I had plans last night and was able to catch Crown during the break before scores were announced, but I didn't see Stars and Cavies.