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Wha explains Crossmen surging after San Antonio? New ending, better cleaning?

Any reason why some corps are scoring higher then the past 20 years? Did they start later so got more practice time vs traveling time (Noticed that with The Troopers last year). This compares the highest first score in the last 20 years to this years first score. 1st score 2023 Prev Hi 1st score Diff Bluecoats 79.8 74.9 4.9 Blue Devils 77 77.5 -0.5 Boston 77.15 75 2.15 The Cadets 76.4 77 -0.6 Carolina Crown 75 74.65 0.35 Blue Knights 72 70.6 1.4 Phantom Regiment 71.3 73.5 -2.2 The Cavaliers 70 75.35 -5.35 Blue Stars 69.3 66.2 3.1 Crossmen 70.5 72.5 -2 Mandarins 71.2 63.9 7.3 The Academy 65.5 69.55 -4.05 Troopers 66.75 65.5 1.25 Madison Scouts 64.1 71.1 -7 Colts 65.5 68.75 -3.25

As always, statistics doesn't apply to the arts, too many variables. But some surprises 1. Blue Knights only improved 19 point off first score, 6 points below their 5 year average. was it the show, the ability of the MM, cleaning? who knows but definitely an anamoly. 2. Boston had the biggest improvement over their 5 year average +2.745. 3. Crown had the highest starting score, but again performed below their average -3.46. 4. Finally, Troopers. I guess starting 9 days later then other corps made a difference. Their first score was 65.76, 6 points higher then the average of their last 5 years. their 2022 increase was the same over the last 5 year average so that high start defintely helped. I have all scores going back to 2002 in an excel spreadsheet if anyone likes this kind of stuff. My son is heading into the High school marching band world so I will not keep up this spreadsheet any more. BTW, I predicted Blue Devils score exactly, just didn't get rank correct. (And yes, I corrected the Bluecoats name) avg clean Starting Prediction Actual Actual score Predicted Rank Actual Rank Difference Clean Clean Diff Blue Devils 26.61 72.1 98.71 98.75 0.04 2 1 1 26.65 0.04 Boston 25.13 69.45 94.58 97.325 2.745 5 2 1 27.875 2.745 Bluecoats 26.27 71.7 97.97 97.325 -0.645 3 2 1 25.625 -0.645 Carolina Crown 26.36 73.45 99.81 96.35 -3.46 1 4 -3 22.9 -3.46 Santa Clara 26.11 69.95 96.06 95 -1.06 4 5 1 25.05 -1.06 The Cadets 25.11 69.15 94.26 92.913 -1.347 6 6 0 23.763 -1.347 Blue Stars 26.12 65.15 91.27 92.775 1.505 9 7 2 27.625 1.505 Phantom Regiment 24.54 65.75 90.29 90.675 0.385 10 8 2 24.925 0.385 The Cavaliers 25.74 67.6 93.34 90.6 -2.74 7 9 2 23 -2.74 Mandarins 23.72 65.3 89.02 90.013 0.993 11 10 1 24.713 0.993 Colts 23.3 62.35 85.65 87.45 1.8 15 11 4 25.1 1.8 Troopers 21.11 65.76 86.87 87.425 0.555 13 12 1 21.665 0.555 Crossmen 24.45 63.35 87.8 86.925 -0.875 12 13 1 23.575 -0.875 Blue Knights 25.14 66.7 91.84 85.788 -6.052 8 14 6 19.088 -6.052 Madison Scouts 22.31 64.5 86.81 83.725 -3.085 14 15 1 19.225 -3.085 The Academy 21 61.45 82.45 82.2 -0.25 16 16 0 20.75 -0.25

My son graduates from UNT in December. Small world.

I had no clue what drum corps was. My high school was so small we didn’t even have a marching band. My first show was in Houston and I was hooked. I went to finals both years, volunteered with the Crossmen, and even made it to Boston to watch 4th of July parades. I think this is an unheralded activity that few know about and even less recognize the sacrifice the MMs, staff, parents, and fans make for this activity.

My son marched Crossmen in 16 and 17. He was the last person contracted in 16. He will even tell you he wasn't that good, but was willing to work hard, take instruction, and try his best. That first year made a huge change in what he is passionate about and he went to college to study music and teach. He is teching for a high school band and today led his first rehearsal. He just texted me and said that he feels like he is on the path to doing what he really loves to do. Drum corps can change peoples lives and I have seen that first hand. (BTW, he was such a bad marcher his first season that he earned the nickname "Baby Giraffe" for his marching style).

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I did something similar, but yours are WAY more accurate as you take into account the fluctuation in judges scoring. I just took average first score over the past 18 years and took average of last 7 years spread between first score and high score. Then I took first score of 2022 and added the average 7 year spread. avg clean Starting Prediction Carolina Crown 26.36 73.45 99.81 Blue Devils 26.61 72.1 98.71 Blue Coats 26.27 71.7 97.97 Santa Clara 26.11 69.95 96.06 Boston 25.13 69.45 94.58 The Cadets 25.11 69.15 94.26 The Cavaliers 25.74 67.6 93.34 Blue Knights 25.14 66.7 91.84 Blue Stars 26.12 65.15 91.27 Phantom Regiment 24.54 65.75 90.29 Mandarins 23.72 65.3 89.02 Crossmen 24.45 63.35 87.8 Madison Scouts 22.31 64.5 86.81 Colts 23.3 62.35 85.65 The Academy 21 61.45 82.45 Troopers 21.11 60 81.11

Thanks for the quote and that is a good analysis. Here is my final prediction based on 1. Their opening score this season 2) the average increase over the last 7 years from 1st score to High score...and the answer is avg clean Starting Prediction Carolina Crown 26.36 73.45 99.81 Blue Devils 26.61 72.1 98.71 Blue Coats 26.27 71.7 97.97 Santa Clara 26.11 69.95 96.06 Boston 25.13 69.45 94.58 The Cadets 25.11 69.15 94.26 The Cavaliers 25.74 67.6 93.34 Blue Knights 25.14 66.7 91.84 Blue Stars 26.12 65.15 91.27 Phantom Regiment 24.54 65.75 90.29 Mandarins 23.72 65.3 89.02 Crossmen 24.45 63.35 87.8 Madison Scouts 22.31 64.5 86.81 Colts 23.3 62.35 85.65 The Academy 21 61.45 82.45 Troopers 21.11 60 81.11

Thanks, I wish I was that smart. It is all excel for me.

Yeah very hard to move up. Most of it is the low first score. Interesting that you have corps like Mandarins who jumped up a lot over the last 5 years.

Correct, I took the first score and added the average clean. the average clean is the last 6 years of increase from first score to high score. I did High score as half the corps score goes down in finals. what is interesting is if you do the last 19 years instead of last 6 years there has been an increase in cleaning over time. In other words, corps are getting better at getting better .

I have analyzed all historical scores since 2003 and have calculated average first score and average high score to predict final score based on the average increase from first to last. 2018 is the last time I predicted, but will do 2022 when all corps has a first score. I like data and it is just fun for me. Interesting, when sorting on avg clean the top corps always clean the most from first score to high score. The average clean is an average of the last 6 years, not the last 19 years. That is why adding that to first score doesnt equal the average high or prediciton avg low avg hi avg clean Prediction Actual difference Predicted Rank Actual Rank Difference Santa Clara 71.43 94.75 26.11 96.738 98.62 -1.882 2 1 1 Blue Devils 74.03 98.05 26.61 97.438 97.35 0.088 1 2 1 Blue Coats 70.35 94.6 26.27 95.749 96.95 -1.201 4 3 1 Carolina Crown 70.51 95.09 26.36 96.42 95.5 0.92 3 4 1 Boston 68.31 90.34 25.13 92.354 94.31 -1.956 7 5 2 The Cavaliers 70.95 95.09 25.74 95.266 93.54 1.726 5 6 1 The Cadets 70.98 95.31 25.11 91.932 92.22 -0.288 8 7 1 Blue Stars 64.18 88.25 26.12 87.192 90.05 -2.858 11 8 3 Blue Knights 65.61 89.58 25.14 92.82 88.925 3.895 6 9 3 Mandarins 60.57 80.1 23.72 86.17 88.66 -2.49 12 10 2 Phantom Regiment 68.91 93.06 24.54 88.192 87.7 0.492 10 11 1 Crossmen 65 85.61 24.45 88.508 87.25 1.258 9 12 3 The Academy 63.65 83.28 21 82.382 84.56 -2.178 15 13 2 Colts 62.39 84.26 23.3 85.048 84.21 0.838 13 14 1 Madison Scouts 65.71 87.38 22.31 84.45 82.99 1.46 14 15 1 Troopers 59.84 81.42 21.11 82.148 81.79 0.358 16 16 0

The thoughfulness and respectfulness of all of these posts are much appreciated.

My understanding is that the Crossmen are going to the C as a logo and doing away with the Cross. I know my son said when he wore the Cross on campus several people asked him if he was a Nazi (😣). I understand the history of the symbol, but how do others feel about changing this iconic symbol? Not looking to pick any side, just want to understand.