Rich Cline

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  1. I'm a not too much older but stiil go back to my roots of the 60's. I remember my first records where the Stetson D. Richmond recordings of the "seniors" who I just fell in love with. I'm talking like the late 50's. There was nothing like listening to the Caballeros, Skyliners, Reilly Raiders, Yankee Rebels or Hurricanes.
  2. So I presume you are speaking only of "The Cadets" from the 80's on but when I am looking at this organization, I am looking back to their start of 1934. They were one of the "Power Houses" from the east coast then and have managed to stay competitive to the current day. That's the Tradition of the maroon and gold and the cradle of drum corps.
  3. The Blue Devils Post 2019 Victory Run The Blue Devils just posted their 2019 Victory Run 15 minutes ago - for your enjoyment.
  4. ok, So here are the scores and averages. BD Finals 19.850 - Semis 19.500 - Prelim 19.550 = Avg. 19.633 SCV Finals 19.800 - Semis 19.600 - Prelims 19.800 = Avg. 19.733 To me it looks like SCV is top score
  5. Here is Jeff Prosperie's biography. http://www.innovativepercussion.com/artists/jeff_prosperie Jeff Prosperie arrived to the West Point Band as a member of the Legendary Hellcats in December of 2006, and currently serves as both the Section Leader and Principal Drummer of the Percussion Section. Jeff is a World Snare Drum Champion and the first and only individual to capture the “triple crown” of solo competition (DCI, PAS, DCA). In addition to his duties as a Hellcat he also performs on occasion with the West Point percussion ensemble, steel band, and concert band. Jeff recently served as the percussion arranger/instructor for the nationally televised Army All-American High School Marching Band. Prior to these positions he served as Director of Percussion Studies at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette, Principal Percussion with the Baton Rouge Symphony, and as the percussion designer/caption-head for the World Champion Phantom Regiment Drum and Bugle corps of Rockford, Illinois. He actively serves as a championship level adjudicator for DCI and WGI and as a marching percussion committee member for PAS. Jeff earned his B.M.Ed from LSU, his MM from The University of North Texas, and has completed all course work for the DMA from UNT. Jeff has performed, presented clinics, and adjudicated throughout the United States, Canada, Europe, and Japan as well as PASIC, TMEA, TBA, and The Mid-West Band and Orchestra Convention. Jeff’s compositions and solo performances can be seen in his book/DVD “Aptitude- A Conversation in snare soloing” published by Drop 6. This publication received the very rare rating of a perfect “10” from Modern Drummer Magazine declaring it a classic. Jeff can also be seen as a featured artist on the recent DVD “The Rudiment Project” by the Percussive Arts Society as well as several performances on YouTube and downloadable apps with DrumGuru.com. Jeff is a performing artist/clinician for Pearl/Adams, Sabian, Innovative Percussion, and Evans. How can SCV win the Fred Sanford award for percussion and yet Blue Devils have a higher score? He was all over the field in every corps way tonight. I just find the scores don't match the results.
  6. Congratulations to all the corps and the Blue Devils. All the performers gave 150% in their performances and it showed. Flo did it's usual sub standard stream. In and out of focus, volume up and down and abundance of Rocket Mortgage ads. If I ever need a mortgage it will be anybody but Rocket Mortgage. It takes a lot to get me going but where was the Chief Judge. That "Drum Judge", That A## was all over the field and violated every corp's performance. Every corps should have received a perfect percussion score and that judge should be barred from ever judging another World Championship. Again kudos to the kid for job well done
  7. Everyone catch the tunnel shot of SOA and their equipment vehicles. 1 trailer for each stack of speakers = 2 trailers pulled by a golf cart. That's why there is so much "noise" on the field.
  8. Brandt is getting up there in years. I believe Dan Potter is being groomed to take over for him. He seems to be doing more and more shows.
  9. Yes it was. But at the time, who thought you could bring an entire venue normally performed on a football field an bring it indoors to perform on a stage. I recently bought the DVD on EBAY. There is a bonus 25 minute clip "Behind The Scenes" on the DVD. The group lived together for 6 months in a few rooms stacked with bunk beds. They painted a grid of the stage layout on a school parking lot and practiced their routine for 12 hours plus each day before the actual start of their tour which then expanded beyond performances in the states. Not too different from what the groups of today are doing to tour. I just find it amazing and highly entertaining.
  10. Could not agree more. Sometimes, you learn more by just listening.
  11. Not sure this qualifies as a Drum Corps Show since it was not a competition but, the concept, staff, etc. did evolve from drum corps. I would have liked to have seen Blast! the broadway show live!
  12. I am not involved in this thread but have been following the posts. Thank you for sharing your qualifications. I am very impressed.
  13. Does anybody know? Do we have the same slate of judges for Semis? Webb and Gray seemed lowest in the GE caption.
  14. A Reminder to BD Fans For those fans living in Concord and who do not have FLO. BD announced during Family Day that they would have large screen set up in Todos Santos Plaza - Concord, California to watch Devils during Finals.
  15. Have tried to post all day to the following thread: Have used 3 different computers and two different routers to access the forum and continue to get the 403 error. Have cleared browser cache and history in both Chrome and IE11 to no avail. Any help available
  16. I'm going to go with Super Don-O and his picks but I will add two others: 1987 Santa Clara Vanguard 'Russian Christmas Music' by Michael Boo The 1987 DCI World Championships at the University of Wisconsin’s Camp Randall Stadium welcomed Bluecoats into the Finals for the first time in the corps’ history. It’s also well remembered for the Garfield Cadets’ “Appalachian Spring” production taking the title over the Santa Clara Vanguard by only a tenth of a point. Vanguard lost only two shows all season, both to the Cadets in Madison. Powering through to the championship title late in the summer, the Cadets had lost three shows to Spirit of Atlanta earlier in the season. By August, Spirit finished in 10th place in Madison, a whopping 10.30 points under the Cadets’ winning score. At the end, the top two corps each won one caption outright and tied each other in the other two captions on the judges’ sheets. Santa Clara Vanguard’s costumed spectacular opened with Alfred Reed’s “Russian Christmas Music,” written by the composer in 1944 when he was a 23-year-old staff arranger for the Denver-based 519th U.S. Army Air Force Band. This piece single-handedly launched Reed on the way to becoming the nation’s most successful composer for wind bands. Reed was put under the gun to quickly write a new piece of Russian music to premiere at a major U.S.-Soviet friendship concert, to be performed by members of five service bands in the Denver area for a national broadcast audience. Reed completed the work in just 11 days, finishing five days before the concert. Much of the music was inspired by liturgical music of the Eastern (Russian) Orthodox Church, and the first movement, which served as the open of Vanguard’s production, was an actual Russian Christmas carol from the 16th Century, known as “Carol of the Little Russian Children.” Large metal plates replicated the sounds of church bells as corps members milled about in their Russian fur hats. Performers portraying Orthodox clergy blessed a religious icon as a thurible (an incense censer) was swung from a chain. The drum line poured out from a large fabric tunnel and the brass players let loose with the main theme of “Cathedral Chorus” before bringing down the volume to set up a big, spectacularly loud push. 2011 Cadets 'Between Angels and Demons' by Michael Boo The 2011 Drum Corps International Tour started with much excitement, as Carolina Crown edged the Cavaliers, Blue Devils and Cadets in the first competition of the summer by just over three tenths of a point. Though the Cadets finished fourth at that first show in June, come August the Pennsylvania drum corps won all four of the final competitions of 2011, ultimately bringing home its 10th title at the DCI World Championships in Indianapolis. As part of the corps' captivating "Angels and Demons" show, two contrasting and conflicting forces of good and evil interacted and repelled each other as soon as each side came out of opposite tunnels. Each division was dressed in the corps' traditional uniform, except for the color scheme. The brass, percussion and color guard performers representing the angels wore creamy white (the historic color of the corps' pants), and were the epitome of being prim and proper. The performers representing the demons wore maroon (the historic color of the corps' jackets) and demonstrated utter disrespect as they entered the field. The corps' traditional color scheme was maintained with the front ensemble and drum majors, each which had to contribute to both the good and evil sections. During the entrance, one of the demon characters tossing a baritone horn halfway across the football field never failed to generate enthusiasm from the audience. That instrument had been run over by a vehicle during a rehearsal earlier in the season, and out of that calamitous accident was born an action that set the stage for the entire production to follow. It was one of the most fortuitous acts of kismet in drum corps history. The production officially began with "Opening," based on Frank Ticheli's "Angels in the Architecture." Kingsway International, a tour company providing international travel opportunities for music groups, commissioned the piece for a massed ensemble of Australian and American musicians at Australia's famed Sydney Opera House in 2008. Ticheli, a professor at the University of Southern California, conceived the work much as the Cadets approached the show, as "a conflict between the extremes of human existence?”one divine, the other evil." From opposite sides of the field, the two factions of Cadets performers commenced the show to a female voice singing a 19th Century Shaker song: I am an angel of Light I have soared from above I am cloth'd with Mother's love. I have come, I have come, To protect my chosen band And lead them to the promised land. Often throughout the production there was no mixing of the two factions, but sometimes they intermingled alternately. According to Cadets director George Hopkins, every time the two forces (with the different colored uniforms) were intermixed, the story of the angels and demons was put on hold and the corps played straight-ahead drum corps. The second feature was titled, "The Demons Take the Lead," and was based on Hans Zimmer's "160 BPM" from the 2009 film, "Angels and Demons." Zimmer, one of today's most popular composers for film, wrote the work in a fast 7/8 meter, which in itself presented many marching challenges. Along the way, the demons taunted and terrorized individual members of the angels' side, and each faction passed through each other but never really mixed. The following section of the show was "The Angels' Turn," based on "The Doxology (Old Hundredth)" from the 1551 edition of the Genevan Psalter, a Protestant Swiss hymnal. Loys (Louis) Bourgeois wrote the melody and in 1674, Thomas Ken penned the lyrics most known today, which begin with, "Praise God, from whom all blessings flow." The demons attempted to play the lovely chorale, but just couldn't bring themselves to be nice, falling into dissonance with chords quite out of character to the piece. The demons formed a pitchfork drill formation and carried it away from the advancing angels, who had formed a giant set of angel wings while playing Frank Ticheli's 1998 rendition of the spiritual "Amazing Grace." Both factions came together for the big climax before once again separating, and a demon member of the color guard lifted high an angel member as if tranquility had been achieved, but then unceremoniously tossed her to the ground. Ticheli's "Angels in the Architecture" returned for "The Finale." The angels and demons began to mesh together in a single large arc, and as an angel with extended wings took center stage, the big arc morphed into an advancing company front, demonstrating that the demons were being won over to the side of virtue and spiritual enlightenment. As a heroic rendition of "The Old Hundredth" was played, a bank of large church bells rung out a proclamation of victory over evil, as white banners like rays of the sun spread across the back of the field. A dizzying array of drill evolutions flew by in rapid succession, ending with a final meshing of the angels and demons. The angels put their hands on the demons' shoulders, pushed the demons to the ground in submission to goodness, and raised their left index fingers to the heavens for the final loud chord. A single demon ended off in the far corner by himself, unrepentant and unsaved. Earlier in the season, we were told the demons might occasionally win, but then something happened to change that possibility. According to Hopkins, people had experienced intense emotions while watching the show and would be devastated if the angels didn't win. One man came up to him in tears after a performance, admitted he was an atheist, but proclaimed he had an intangibly profound experience at the end of the show. And with the realization of how the show was affecting people, the angels never had to worry about coming in second place.
  17. First let me say that I am not a legal attorney. All information was obtained from news reports and internet sources You are correct. The Boy Scouts did not go co-ed for legal reasons. It was part of their overall decision ti not exclude anyone and the sexual orientation issue. The Boy Scouts of America have been involved in numerous litigation suits and the two landmark cases had nothing to do with gender. They were about sexual orientation. In 1997 the Evans v. Berkeley case was between the Sea Scouts and the City of Berkeley, California. Evans v. Berkeley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evans_v._Berkeley Evans v. Berkeley was a court case which upheld the right of governmental entities in California to withhold support from non-profit organizations that practice discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Sea Scouts which were a nautical-themed youth program of the Boy Scouts of America. At the time of this lawsuit, the BSA had policies forbidding avowed homosexuals from membership in BSA, and these policies also applied to Sea Scouting units. Dispute In 1997, the city passed a resolution requiring that in order to receive free use of the marina, non-profit organizations must "demonstrate" through "membership policies and practices" that it “promote cultural and ethnic diversity.” The resolution also required that access to the marina "not be predicated on a person’s race, color, religion... age, sex, [or] sexual orientation". Based on the Boy Scouts of America's policy of excluding gays from membership within its organization, the City of Berkeley decided that continued free berthing for Sea Scouts would violate the resolution. As a result, the City terminated the free usage arrangement, and began billing the Sea Scouts the standard rent of $500 per month for the amount of berth space it uses. Two of the three ships, ships Northland and St. Ambrose, moved to marinas in other cities. However, adult leader ("Skipper") of the ship Farallon, Eugene Evans, and thirteen other adult members of the Sea Scouts sued the City of Berkeley. They alleged that the city's actions violated their Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Association. This suit was by individuals and did not include the BSA as plaintiffs. A trial court ruled against the plaintiffs, holding that "Berkeley had not 'attempted to muzzle anyone’s speech' or force the Sea Scouts to sever their association with BSA, but had only 'conditioned a city subsidy on compliance with nondiscrimination principles'." In March 2006, the California Supreme Court unanimously upheld the lower courts rulings and found against the plaintiffs: "We agree with Berkeley and the Court of Appeal that a government entity may constitutionally require a recipient of funding or subsidy to provide written, unambiguous assurances of compliance with a generally applicable nondiscrimination policy. We further agree Berkeley reasonably concluded the Sea Scouts did not and could not provide satisfactory assurances because of their required adherence to BSA’s discriminatory policies." In July 2006 Evans et al. appealed to the United States Supreme Court. On October 16, 2006, the Supreme Court rejected the appeal from Evans without comment, thus allowing the California decision to stand. Meanwhile in 2000 at the time of the case, it asserted that homosexuality was inconsistent with the values of Boy Scouts of America and should be allowed in the Scouts which is a private, non-profit organization engaged in instilling its system of values in young people. This was decided on June 28, 2000 in favor of Boy Scouts of America by the Supreme Court of the United States Boy Scouts of America v. Dale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_v._Dale The America et al. v. Dale, 530 U.S. 640 (2000), was a case of the Supreme Court of the United States, decided on June 28, 2000, that held that the constitutional right to freedom of association allowed the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) to exclude a homosexual person from membership in spite of a state law requiring equal treatment of homosexuals in public accommodations. More generally, the court ruled that a private organization such as the BSA may exclude a person from membership when "the presence of that person affects in a significant way the group's ability to advocate public or private viewpoints". In a five to four decision, the Supreme Court ruled that opposition to homosexuality is part of BSA's "expressive message" and that allowing homosexuals as adult leaders would interfere with that message. The ruling reversed a decision of the New Jersey Supreme Court that had determined that New Jersey's public accommodations law required the BSA to readmit assistant Scoutmaster James Dale, who had made his homosexuality public and whom the BSA had expelled from the organization for that reason. There have been other suits going back to the 1920s, the Boy Scouts actually sued the Girl Scouts in court over the name “scout.” They thought it was a male term. There were legal battles—and battles in the media—over this. In some countries, there’s a closer relationship between the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. But in the U.S., they’ve functioned as totally separate organizations and they don’t always get along. The Boy Scouts have been struggling with a lot of issues regarding their social attitude, particularly regarding homosexuality. In 2018 Boy Scouts of America (BSA) changed is name to 'Scouts BSA' and announced it will allow girls to join the organization as Cub Scouts and earn the rank of Eagle Scout, marking a significant policy shift in the organization’s over 100-year history. The Girl Scouts of the USA did not take kindly to the move. Cub Scout packs still don’t have to let girls join: the decision is up to individual packs’ leaders. (For now, girls are only allowed to join Cub Scouts; the BSA plans to open the upper ranks of Boy Scouts to girls ages 11 through 17 next year.) Even in co-ed packs, all dens (the sub-units of the group that do most of their activities together) will remain single-gender. Still, says BSA spokesperson Effie Delimarkos, that’s where the differences end. Both boys and girls will be held to the same standards, earning pins and merit badges the same way and going on the same troop and pack campouts. In February 2019, the organization planned to start a program to allow teenage girls to earn the rank of Eagle Scout. In the complaint filed in November 2018 in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, the Girl Scouts argue that the Boy Scouts' use of certain trademarks is "both new and uniquely damaging" to the organization and they are blasting what they called "a covert campaign to recruit girls. And so, the legal action continues for the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. Here is how the Boy Scouts has evolved on social issues over the years https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boy-scouts-evolution-2017-story.html Boy Scouts vs. Girl Scouts: A Battle of Values https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/boy-scouts-vs-girl-scouts-a-battle-of-values/ Over the past several months, the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts have been in the headlines. The Boy Scouts of America’s 2013 decision to allow openly gay Scouts (while still banning openly gay Scout leaders) has garnered continuous attention. And, more recently, the Girl Scouts of America — long the more progressive of the two groups — teamed up with LeanIn.org on its “Ban Bossy” campaign, which strives to promote leadership roles for girls. The two groups have been around for more than a century, and as the country’s values have shifted, both organizations have had to balance tradition and adaptation. Both groups have a statement of their values in the form of their Scout laws. Here’s the Boy Scout Law: A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. And the Girl Scout Law: I will do my best to be Honest and Fair, Friendly and Helpful, Considerate and Caring, Courageous and Strong, and Responsible for what I say and do, And to respect myself and others, respect authority, use resources wisely, make the world a better place, and be a sister to every Girl Scout. The Girl Scouts Have Sued the Boy Scouts. Now What? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/us/girl-scouts-sue-boy-scouts.html In a lawsuit filed in Manhattan federal court this week, the Girl Scouts argued that its fears that its brand would be damaged “have been realized” after the Boy Scouts announced plans this year to drop “boy” from its namesake program while welcoming girls into its ranks. Girl Scouts Of The USA Files Suit Against Boy Scouts Of America https://www.npr.org/2018/11/07/665308785/girl-scouts-of-the-usa-files-suit-against-boy-scouts-of-america Girl Scouts of the USA wants to take Boy Scouts of America to court. The organization has filed a federal lawsuit accusing the Boy Scouts of trademark infringement. This started last October, when the Boy Scouts said it would start allowing girls to join its programs. Girl Scouts National President Kathy Hopinkah Hannan accused the Boy Scouts' national president at the time, Randall Stephenson, of carrying out a "covert campaign" to recruit girls.
  18. Me Too! I like to see the members close up _ I want to feel the show as well hear it. The members wearing Cam's is the best.
  19. Yes, Ghost mentioned that commentators on FLO discussed this. It was said that while sound of "flinging" could be heard, the actual visual of a sling might not be seen so for now, they elected to have CG member twirl rifle over his head which can be seen.
  20. Perhaps your observations are correct. Wanting a show with emotion and a story might be the starting point of the discussion. The Cadets have done stories before with much success. For me their 2011 show was just such a show. Totally agree that their Brass Book is not inspiring. Just comparing Academy's version to Cadet's version of Bridge Over Troubled Waters, Academy wins hands down. Reviewing Dr. Shanfield's Bio, he seems to have the experience and credentials for the Cadets. Branden Hill on the other hand seems to be a little less qualified. Wish the Cadets had been stronger this year in lieu of past issues.
  21. Considering the venue whether it be Bands or Drum Corps, I still prefer a 2-piece uniform with separate, wide leg pants and an overlay top or jacket. I really dislike the "tight" look bottoms or the one-piece uni-suit. Since more and more show designs seem to rely on close up views of expressions, make-up etc..... The spandex type body suits do not provide a pleasing visual picture.
  22. Living in BD land, I do tire of seeing BD win but Cappybara is correct. Not only 18 World Titles to their name but let's not forget the 2nd place finishes also. SCV is another great, being a charter member of DCI and maintaining there stature within DCI for decades. In the early days of drum corps, the Midwest reigned supreme. And for another long period, the East coast were the best. The California corps learned from the best, imported whatever talent they felt they needed and results are the current records. They are now other corps from Mandarins down to Open Class corps in California making huge strides. Wishing all of the them the best. "Live Long and Prosper"
  23. I have posted previously in other threads about this subject and Drum Corps Guy is exactly right. It is a real turn off participating in this forum where the constant "put downs" and "personal attacks" occur on a frequent basis. The sad thing is, it seems to come in large part from members who have "Veteran" status. I would think these folks would be far more tolerant of others because they may have more experience? It's DCP living up to it's worst reputation of being an over opinionated group.