OhioStateTad

Well, if I had that vantage point, I'd hope the ticket was free. Plus, you're picking and choosing your point of argument from a very small context. The crowd seems to get a bit gaga over the drums, which I think is thge point of that section --- that we've seen for HOWWWWWW many years? C'mon, Cadets! "INNOVATION" does not mean doing the same thing year after year after year after........ DCI Rules Congress is like the US Congress: you give them an inch, and they'll steal your mile. Amplification was originally meant to cut out the percussion people's incessant whining over "not being heard in the pit." And the rule wasn't clear about what it's become. MAN< those drum people always seem to get their way (like the 9th judge). (Personally, I don't care for microphones, for the record.)

Dude, you had me in your corner until I saw that Penn State crap on your website. :sshh: <**> :sshh: <_< :P

A-friggin'-MEN. It was the first time I really paid heed to fair-weathers. I always thought that Cavies got lucky-- not because Star marched horribly on Saturday (look at the last company front. HOW does anyone get out of step at that point?!?!?) Cadets lost all steam in the hornline (performance--not effect) which led the way for Cavies. The flock to BD '94 was very similar as was, I think, Cadets last year (but their souvie stand is always crowded!). I think 1999 was a huge exception w/ SCV having to make up almost a point to win. The crowd was clearly on their side. All in all, 1992 was a very "crisp" year with a pretty solid top 6. Star stumbled, Cadets found life and Cavies won primarily because the other two had obstacles. I'd vote it #2 to my favorite year: 1985. From Freelancers' "Bells" to Cadets' "Jeremiah," that was top-notch!

Oops: a former judge. I thought I edited that in. Aside from that, I posted exerpts only. And how is this "harming?" Good Lord, from the venom I've read here so far, one would think they should be scoring in the 50's. After reading these thoughts from an objective voice, it puts my mind more at ease.

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Right. And the GE judges from Indy through championship night were paid off, right? No corps gets GE numbers like that (with HUGE gaps from 1st to second) with "zero integration of the elements." Just because you can read a judges sheet doesn't give you permission to second-judge them. Your opinion, although within boundaries, is just stupid. Poorly designed. Gawd, who are you?

No, they have never beaten the Cadets. Remember last year? They were pretty close in June, and this conversation was pretty ripe. They once came close in 1988, but when it counted (in KC), Cadets were up by 9.4. I read that as, "The Cadets would REALLY have to be HORRIBLE to be beaten by the Bluecoats!" I have seen neither show, but I'd still bet my paycheck that Cadets' demand is MUCH higher and has much more room to grow. That's just based upon the design teams from both units.

Yeah, loud is sweet, but Boston beating Crown this year due to decibels? It doesn't work that way, Bud. If it did, Madison would have won DCI in 1992, 1995, 1999 (at least).

Well, define a "theme." Garfield 1985: "A Bernstein Portrait." Is that any more/less thematic than "One Hand, One Heart?" (BD '94) Cadets used only "Stonehedge" in 1998 to win. Theme? 1988: Madison's "non-theme" versus SCV's POTO. bzzzzzzz Phantom's 1996 "Whatever Cesario Dreamed Up for a Really Long, Meaningless Title." Theme? Crown's 2006: "In.stink.y" or whatever it's called. Is that a theme, or is it putting makeup on a sow (or painting the peacock)? Interesting question which brings up more questions.

No... I was hoping someone would totally snap, thinking those were the scores. Cadets? I guess around 72 or 73... depending on if they're better than PR at this stage.

Cadets..... 80.25 Phantom...72.10 Southwind. 58.00 Spirit..........56.95 Magic.........54.70

I just looked at the recap. They were 7th in horns. Really? That was their best effort? Even after 3 DCI Championships?

Interesting that THIS thread survived. Krista's profile does list SCV as a favorite. Someone start a "Glassmen will win..."

Krista is nosing around this thread. Will it be locked before I hit ADD REPLY? Stay tuned... :P

oh, the irony <-- ###

Excuse me, but is there a limit on internet web space for this site? May we share some levity, or are the powers-that-be headstrong on flexing their computer muscles? Sheesh, lighten up, Ladies.

What about last year's GE judges for the Cadets? I *STILL* don't get a lot of the show... was the drumspeak something to do with "Dancer in the Dark?" When Daryl Hannah was whistling "Twisted Nerve" in KB, she was on her way to kill Uma. Other than music effect, I don't even know why they warmed up/opened with that. I know it's 2006, but I was always afraid to ask WTF, because I thought I was the only one who avoided "Dancer in the Dark" because of that creepy singer. Btw, corps have "press releases" of sorts for judges. BD's 1994 release was quite wordy in explanation.. for such an UNcomplicated show.

Wasn't this the guy in "Beetlejuice" who sprinkled the dust on Keaton's head at the end of the movie? b**bs

It was good enough for a reply from you.

People use that lame, tired excuse all the time. Did an asymmetrical drill hurt Garfield in 1982? Let's see: they went 8th in appearance order and received the top score in Visual Analysis (7.9 out of 8). They also received a 9.9 out of 10 in GE Visual, winning that number. They finished 2nd in brass, as well. SCV was 8th in 1980 because they didn't play well, and they didn't drum well. Ironically, their best numbers came in the visual captions, so the assymetry they "boldly forged" isn't really the issue.

To win DCI, you need a show that has horns, drums, and colorguard. Based on what I've seen of their show this year, none of these elements are in place.

Statistically speaking, they WILL win, because they were DCI's very first runner up! :P

Who is "us?" Cadets? According to fromthepressbox.com, Cadets went on right after the Scouts (but I was there... there's something not so right about those appearance order #s)... The Scouts won high brass in QFs... Cadets were in the clear. :)

How would ignoring DCI history fit here? Because SCV has won? Well, after they were at their absolute worst in 1980 (compared to 1972-1979) and won in 1981, what was the reasoning? Did they overhaul the staff? Nope. Do you think that the Bluecoats, finally beating Cavies in some captions like Guard and Drums, have LESS of a chance to win than SCV, because they've never won? I pulled Crown out of the air. What are the statistics regarding SCV versus Cavies this year? They've both won 6 times (both 5 solo and one tie, to keep it matched!). Keeping in mind, that this is June.

omg. did they really bleep ####? what the ####?