TheBattman

Score issues? posted from the DrumScorps app

And to add to what you said, the OP is a great example of why DCI uses multiple judges spread by captions - no single person is capable of judging every aspect of a corps performance.

I must respectfully disagree. The licensing company could have simply given a "no - the sync rights have been granted for an exclusive period and we CAN'T grant such rights at this time". Even that would have prevented a significant chunk of the misunderstanding. Sure, the company has no requirement to handle it that way - but good grief...

Copyright has a legitimate purpose - and I have no issue with drum corps (or bands) obtaining permission for arranging/performance - but it makes no real sense for there to be so many layers of rights to wade through for something as simple as the recording of said performances - even if sold "for profit". As far as the Bowie sampled segment in the Cavies show - that demonstrates a pretty large stretch of the copyright (though I'm certain perfectly "legal"). I particularly scratch my head at such a "positive' use - that gives further exposure (and for some, even enlarges the prospective audience) to an artist/composer. For example - there have been a few shows in DCI history that have intruded me to new music/composers that I have laters spent money buying recordings of - composer that I might not have ever been acquainted with were it not for the corps performing/using the music.

Since when is the Sanford awarded based on crowd reaction? It is unrelated

I have a serious question - (or a couple) related to this. I was a band director for 14 years. I remember a lot of the discussions and training meetings regarding copyright. Had several friends who did a lot of arranging and spoke with them regarding copyrights. Seemed (it's been a few years) that MOST composers/license holders were not too tough to deal with unless there was a profit being pursued in the arranging and performance, then the issues arise. Drum Corps have been banging on the copyright doors for decades - it would seem advantageous to the copyright holders to allow use and not place a lot of restrictions on those arrangements and performances. But then you have the DCI machine - that does make money off of the events, recording, and now streaming. This opens the door even more to the copyright juggles. How man of these Corps do NOT operate as a non-profit organization? So then it comes to DCI - is it their operations that cause the snafus in a bigger way with copyright holders? I remember the recording of a couple years ago - and the removal of some poetry lines that were decided on the field - lines that were important to the show - and I was never able to track down any definitive dispute that would have forced this... So - question being: where is the most common copyright issue these days? And is this more of a case of mirroring the NFL and their draconian rules regarding their "product"?

About as close a thing to "prophetic" as I have ever read on this message board! Pretty much nailed what happened!

That brings up a whole other issue.. the licensing bit... Very frustrating. The info on the CDs, the DVDs and BluRay lists a bunch of audio cuts due to licensing issues. It seems rather frustrating, and I'm afraid that even the small clips will make a big difference in the viewing/listening experience. Who are these folks who are so tight with their licensing that they won't allow a fragment of their work to be included in these recordings? Nuts

I'm still trying to figure out the "perfect 10s" The Cadets received, and trying to figure out how BD and the Cavies were really any "less perfect" in some of those captions... As a band director for many years, and has a DCI fan for over 3 decades, I'm just trying hard to figure out how any judge could score one corps as "perfect" (another argument in and of itself), and not give the same score to another corps that was every bit as clean... Despite years of the activity, training, and "standards" - there will always be an element of subjective judgement. You cannot easily get around it without having ten times the number of judges (nowhere near practical). I think this is why threads like this one come to be - Even the "highly-trained" adjudicators miss things that even some fans see. Conversely - fans miss a lot that judges do see. Add in the fact that most everyone who posts here on DCP discussions have their own personal biases (admittedly myself included), and I don't know if there could ever be a 100% agreement on "who should have won", or "this is why ____________ should not have won". There have been some years in DCI where one horn line was easily identifiable as "stronger" or better than others - same applies to the drum lines and guard... But more often than not, as the "top-tier" corps continue to polish, fine-tune, and make nearly a science out of show production - those differences often blur or become essentially too narrow to OBJECTIVELY differentiate. In reality - the top 3 corps this year could have laid an legitimate claim to the title - and it would have been quite difficult to argue with the outcome, regardless. Beyond the top 3, the differences began to be more evident (though still, some super performances, to be sure!). I just don't see the point spread between the top 3... the corps' shows were not that different in quality/precision/effect. And no - I do NOT desire a return to "shared titles" or so-called "ties"...

We got "that" from the same-said media. My students came this AM and all but one of them who watch the broadcast (about 80 % of the band - even though it was on until 11PM) griped that they didn't show ANY full performances. How many band kids (I know - band is a bad word....) are there in the US who WOULD "still" watch the whole thing if they at least showed the whole show of the top 3 or 4? Probably most of them. How many people in the television audience would turn it off if they showed those top few performance? Probably very few, if any. Some people in the broadcast industry just have no clue. And the use of the same argument by PBS REALLY doesn't make sense. Anyone every spent any time on PBS? Geeze - a lot of that would make even the longest attention-spanned person snooze.