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18 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
statutes may have driven the reason they went civil. But civil is usually money driven or a way to find justice when the criminal options no longer exist. I've often wondered why after 2018 no one went the civil route when the criminal trial failed to produce serious results.
Yep and I was thinking the “way to find justice when criminal options no longer exist” given Cadets financial situation.
When Westshore let lot of minors and females in it scared bunch of people. Worry was “little Billy and Suzie get busy on a corps trip and we get sued. What the #### are they going to get? A broken drum stick and couple of trophies?”. Think a Bill Light quote
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One would hope that this kicks DCI in the nether regions and they wake up to what needs to be done.
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Just now, TheOneWhoKnows said:
The court documents state the complaint is that the organization knew it was going to happen and didn’t stop it from happening.
So really it isn’t even about whether or not it happened, it’s about whether or not those in the organization at the time knew about it and intentionally didn’t stop it. The case skips over whether it actually happened or not.
Thanks for the clarification. So this case is trying to determine who was negligent. (Penn State flashbacks coming back.) Sounds like trying to hold people in the organization responsible. And if can’t have a criminal trial to hold them responsible then hit them in the pocketbook.
Or other option of ignoring it. 👎Personally I’d prefer the individuals be sued and not the current organization.
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4 hours ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
I guess my question is, isn’t the truth already out there?
What exactly is this trial going to be about? Is it “we know who did or didn’t do what when, this is only about punishment”? Or is it Cadets and DCI didn’t do what they should have and it needs to be determined what that was? And there still are people out there victim blaming, not that a guilty verdict would change their minds.
And if it’s “all about the money” then why are Cadets included if they’re broke? Lot of effort and lawyer fees to get a bunch of old trophies and crap the creditors missed.
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11 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:
Maybe it’s not just a case of wanting money. Could want the truth of this mess to come out publicly.
And what is so #### funny about this?
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1 hour ago, LabMaster said:
If what you say is true (not challenging the veracity of your statement) and the complainant won’t settle and wants to take it to trial, what would the expected outcome be for her? I’m wondering what does she want out of a trial win, if there is nothing left monetarily? If the Cadets org has nothing, will individuals named, be responsible for whatever award the court decides?
Maybe it’s not just a case of wanting money. Could want the truth of this mess to come out publicly.
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24 minutes ago, Tim K said:
I think you’ll find the alumni corps a thing of the past in the near future. The Plymouth, MA Thanksgiving parade and evening standstill concert used to have an impressive number of groups each year that were fairly large. For Junior Corps alums, most marched prior to DCI or in the very early years. The Senior Corps seemed to generally be people who could no longer manage the current corps or the original corps disbanded. This past year there were only five corps participating, the membership was smaller and getting older. They still had heart and loved performing. People aren’t joining alumni corps in large numbers. The infighting may have something to do with it but I think it’s more changing times. Neighborhood drum corps have been gone for years. People who marched together since let’s say 1980 probably did not grow up together, go to school together, and as adults did not buy a house in the same area. That was the case with the first alumni corps. Allowing folks who did not march with the original corps caused some problems. I think that has subsided. When I hear the corps listed where Crusaders Senior marched, years back if you got the same crew together, you’d need the National Guard to keep the peace. It’s hardly an issue today but I heard a corps that tried to get off the ground never did because there was infighting about whether to allow rivals to join. The ironic thing is they were not a powerhouse back in the day and those that wanted to join to help them get off the ground marched with corps that used to beat them in competition.
Did alumni type 2004-2011. Lot of what I saw were members of corps that no longer existed playing music of their era. Sure they enjoyed themselves but not a plan for future survival as members age.
As for the corps that still exist, not having many local members hurts.
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2 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
some reacted the same way to the version of our old corps that existed between 1999-2001
Glad I wasn’t following the activity during that time. Saw enough in fighting stupidity 1974 and 1984.
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1 hour ago, Terri Schehr said:
I think it was Light Brigade and some 27 alumni were NOT happy. It was kind of like that with Kilties. A few were on board with an alumni corps but many were vehemently opposed. When they started competing… ooh boy, then it hit the fan.
There was a 60s Sr corps called the Interstatesmen from NY/MA. In the 70s there was a corps with the same name that competed in the lower level Red Carpet Association. I thought the corps were connected until I said on RAMD I competed against them in the 70s.
Think flames shot out of my monitor from the response from a 60s member.
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38 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
well if an alumni started a corps, even if they claimed no ties, just happening to say their personal roots....would that be an issue?
(Forget this as see Tim already posted about it: Hazy on the name but think 27th Lancer alumni wanted to start an alumni corps and they couldn’t use the same. Used something like Light Brigade?)
Thinking our corps name is “the Cadets… but not those Cadets”
Years back a corps disbanded and a corps with a different name appeared from the same city few years later. Overheard this at DCA: “Are you guys the (disbanded corps name)”?
”NO we have nothing to do with them”.
Reply was give so quickly and emphatically 🤔🤔🤔🤔
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18 minutes ago, Tim K said:
My thought is most of the members who marched when the corps was Holy Name have probably met the Lord, Garfield Alums are mid 50’s plus, Bergen County late 40’s plus, Allentown and Erie might be younger, but young people are not going to join a start up with the name of a past corps whose legacy would seem like ancient history, especially if the corps is dissolved due to scandal and financial mismanagement.
My thoughts go towards getting new members. Would these young people remember the glory years… doubtful. Would they remember the legal issues and going inactive… more likely.
”hey mom and dad I want to spend $$$$ and a summer marching with….🤔”
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5 minutes ago, RiverCityAndTroopersFan said:
Color Guard: EVIL MINDS THAT PLOT DEEEEEESTRUCTIOOOON (epic guitar riff)
Scary thing is you know this at your young age. 😱
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Lost the tape (or maybe it destroyed itself from shame), 1976 Hershey show retreat the corps were supposed to play something patriotic for bicentennial. Maybe same Stars and Stripes. Anyway think whoever started it gave 1,2,3 and 3 corps came in on 4. 3 corps came in a beat later (on 1). And one corps (7 corps show) came in another beat later.
Kind of like playing the song in a round. 😱
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41 minutes ago, Cadet Guardy said:
An instructor shouts and you pull out the abuse in sports handbook. You sound like someone who couldn't/didn't cut it in the activity and/or handle any kind of heat to help you become better. Let's just give everyone a first place trophy because they tried, right?
IMO depends on the incident. Instructor gets mad, yells and that’s it, fine. But if continuing to harp on members to the point they look for an excuse to yell.. find another job.
Goes with the daughter of an ex-boss. She had to drop out mid season due to a health issue. Got told she wasn’t (corps name) material and shunned until her folks picked up. Then management was “too busy” to give parents details on what happened. IOW if you’re not helping the corps then you’re dirt
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15 hours ago, Cadet Guardy said:
To be fair, how long did April last in the activity?! Everyone wanted to work with her because she produced results, despite being a screamer and humiliating members. The fear was real but it came with the territory of being one of the best. I'm not saying this technique is right but it certainly gets people talking.
Teaching by fear…. 👎 (not the digit I want to use here).
We had a drill guy who was a screamer but that just released the pressure and nothing personal. Same guy would yell at you in practice and after practice come up and “hey we haven’t talked for a while, how have you been doing”.
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4 hours ago, Jimmyjames said:
I feel like he is one of those awful instructors that just yell and scream while expecting you to learn. Yes, he can get results but eventually, it seems, no one will want to continue to work with him.
I never understood screaming as a help in making something better. I’ve screwed up from brain farts or not understanding what I was suppose to do. If the former the person maddest at me would be… me. 🤦♂️🤬 If the latter then yelling ain’t explaining and ain’t gonna help clean the problem.
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
whats 4 years among friends.
i want to give the guy a chance, but he's gotta find a way to clean house....the cleaning is the people that control his fate
Agreed… wonder if picking words carefully as not to upset the people he has to work with.
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2 hours ago, Lance said:
Got this in an email from DCI. You can read the interview in the link or watch the video that was just posted to youtube today (1/31).
“Required a little bit of focus on finances”.
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15 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
I’m going with number three because that would be my motivation.
And then option 4 might come into play: all these years of taking crap from people calling us liars and harassing us. A guilty verdict is to say “look ###### ####### we WERE telling the truth”.
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41 minutes ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
Stating this as respectively as possible since we can’t obviously know the exact intentions, but it’s why I don’t fully understand the point here. We already know there’s no money for the Cadets to pay out. Which as you stated happens pretty often. So is it to just destroy the organization? I guess I just don’t see how that avenue creates a greater good and better future for everyone. Probably going to get blowback for stating this.
If nothing else it shows proof what happened and who was responsible. And the victims were not lying or blowing smoke. IOW can bring closure to the victims
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2 hours ago, Slingerland said:
Gaming this out, there is a possibility that when this gets to trial, the judge could either reject the plaintiff's case against CAE altogether, or find for the plaintiff but award a sum small enough that it's conceivable CAE could find the funds, then have a fresh start - but with an entirely new name and identity, since identifying as "The Cadets" was a factor in the judge allowing the suit against CAE - technically not the Garfield Cadets - to move forward.
So "The Cadets" have likely seen their last regardless of how this turns out.
Don’t forget the costs involved in lawyering up and going to court. Knew someone who took a plea bargain (suspended sentence) instead of going to trial. Court costs making it hard to keep the house and family fed
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14 minutes ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
I was thrilled to have them move to Erie and support them in every way I can and saw a great future for them here.
Know some of the Erie people and was getting the newsletter. All I could think was “#### there goes another corps in Erie”. (Competed against Thunderbirds in the 70s)
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5 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
This gives me an idea. Assuming Godzilla is a dragon.
Picturing contras doing the guitar riff for Blue Oyster Cults “Godzilla”. 😳
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40 minutes ago, DCP NewsFeed said:
Greetings all! Our January 2024 camp has come and gone, and we have a drum corps! Both percussion & brass sections are almost fully contracted with just a couple of spots to be finalized in the near future. Read the rest of the article here.
Would have been nice if I didn’t have to click twice to find out wth corps this is about….
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A Great Article on The Cadets
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Posted · Edited by JimF-LowBari
Was working when Navy started cleaning up its act on sexual harassment, etc. Was told have it on paper and have people sign that they read so no one can pull the “no one told me I couldn’t” BS excuse. Makes it easier legal wise to nail the idiots