JimF-LowBari
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28 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
and if kids cant get their dream corps.....they don't go elsewhere
About 15 years ago I started a thread asking why people don’t go to another corps if they miss their dream corps. Lot of “for the amount of money, it’s my dream corps or not worth it”. Or “only have one season to march so why waste it” as have other options over the summer.
Hmmm… some things haven’t changed
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5 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:
I know Florida is God’s waiting room but even in the little community where I live, they have two bingo games running. I have no clue as to what it’s like in that part of California. I’ve never been to bingo and I have no intention of going. They had to call the police at the bingo game I worked at my son’s school. Two old ladies got into a physical dust up because one of them sat in the wrong chair.
Used to be think you could find a game every week night within a 15 mile radius of Harrisburg. Then a business started a big money place to drive out the smaller games. But… then PA started the no smoking laws which hurt all the games.
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1 hour ago, Tim K said:
It might be a good idea for DCI to commission a study about interest in drum corps. While it is true corps have not been replaced and costs are high, I have wondered about the overall interest of young people in drum corps. I think young people who see drum corps in performance, especially if they have band or musical backgrounds are impressed and have the potential to become fans, but do they want to be a part of the activity? Back in the circuit days, you had what we usually called Class B or prep corps that were not direct feeders to better corps though some members did move on to better corps. You also has Class A corps which were good. These corps provided a great experience, but not all folded due to expenses or mismanagement. Many could not recruit members.
In the heyday of drum corps, sports opportunities and youth activities were limited. Today you have club sports for top athletes, a wide variety of athletic opportunities. School music programs are stronger. There are better theater opportunities. Dance classes are of better quality and the stigma for boys taking dance lessens, especially if hip hop dance is involved, has lessened (though not completely disappeared). How do we get young people involved, especially in the long, and difficult work of getting a corps off the ground when there are so many other activities?
Yep, society changed which lot of people can’t or won’t understand or accept.
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I don’t see the DC activity growing as only movement is in SoundSport and that hasn’t really helped DCIs “bread and butter “ (top corps). IMO board needs to concentrate on what is causing current corps not to field or go under (costs, finances, member safety, etc).
As I was told long ago we’ve always had corps go under, the problem today is new corps are not coming up to replace to corps that leave
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5 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
So with a second bingo hall will they be able to lose money twice as fast?
But seriously, something isn’t adding up. Follow the money.
Wonder how saturated the Bingo market is in that area. IOW you open up a second hall to run certain nights you might be competing with already established games.
Double halls does not guarantee double the money
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2 hours ago, RContra said:
Why on earth are you asking DCP and not your admin or fellow staff members? Makes me doubt this is real.
Why not get more perspectives?
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23 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
The last time I went was the first year in Williamsport. I think there were less than 2000 people. I was told there were less than that the next year. What an awful venue that was.
At least it will be far more comfortable in LOS.
And ####### hand rails….
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2 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
well doing your final run under the lights with less than 1500 people wasn't exactly filling the corps either. there's no win win
Can’t even imagine what that looked like, especially in a larger stadium. Figure number of performers was probably close to half that number.
i know different era but never did a show with that small a crowd. Including Bradford, RCA anthracite towns and Mechanicsburg at the town stadium.
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31 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
Yes I know those cancers exist. But we are seeing them spill over into a financial hit - if nothing else higher insurance costs. And sometimes more. My thoughts are that DCI will finally address the other cancers as a way to lower costs. It is an alternative path to achieve the same desired end state.
I’m wondering (have been for a while) where a corps insurance carrier says “here’s your new premium for the season…. There’s been an increase in the cost” 😳 Or…. “After looking it over, we’re not going to renew your policy “
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1 hour ago, Terri Schehr said:
If there was ever an activity less proactive than drum corps, I’d love to know what it is. They spend a lot of time rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Is there anyone on the BoD who has a business or financial background? Weird how when someone who doesn’t have a DC or music background is named for a corps top spot people flip out. Cant have the music without the financial footing folks
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1 hour ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
Even if plaintiff doesn’t prevail, the legal costs to Cadets & DCI will be considerable. As has been said - the process is the punishment.
Yep repeating story of person I knew who pled guilty to take a suspended sentence. Was in a group and had to go to court every time one of the group appealed something. No idea if he did anything wrong but had a family and going broke on costs
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2 hours ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
Update appears the lawyers for the defendants are demanding a jury trial. Dragging out the process…
Or feel can get a better judgment with jury of peers instead of the judge. Wonder what is the history of judges rulings in cases like this in the district.
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10 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
look, lets be honest....all age can't do Wednesday shows. and Saturday night for World Class is the main event, the show that puts 22k+ ##### in seats. Sure, i'd like to see all age get a better time slot, but world class is what draws th fans. All age couldn't even sell 2500 tickets the ast several years no matter where they held finals. just going to Indy year 1 isn't suddenly going to bring paying customers out in droves.
Understand the problems with time due to other events and All Age corps logistics.
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25 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
As I understand it, there will be one show. We purchased tickets and there was no option to purchase for a preliminary show. The tickets say “All-Age Championship”. 10:30am August 10.
10:30am for championships 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
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39 minutes ago, keystone3ply said:
Been there & done that in college in the Sugar Bowl. Crazy echo in that dome with the round design & lack of sound dampening materials. ✅
During the show the first time we turned backfield I totally lost the beat. Had to stop playing and look at peoples feet. Would love to hear a recording to know how bad the sound was.
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31 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
The old place was much worse. People would have their horns down and you’d still hear them playing.
New Orleans SuperDome… lol had a quick practice there 1978 American Legion nationals. Only other people in the place was tour groups. Clap your hands and you could follow the echo 4 or 5 times. There…. (turn 180) there… etc etc
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1 hour ago, Tim K said:
Seventeen weekends with some rain, but not seventeen wash out weekends.
When I came back to watching DC in 2003 had a very wet spring. Went to pre season exhibition show and the two DCI corps were still learning end of drill which was unusual then. IOW rainy week days hurt also
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26 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
I think it is the lack of accountability that will be what ultimately destroys the organization. What I don’t understand is why people within SCV can’t see it.
Accountability to members, CA and possibly DCI?
Amazing ability to keep pointing out the the good things and ignore the bad:
Last year when a money crunch bragged how it was resolved but no answers on “could this happen again” questions. And nothing I saw on the CA paperwork fiasco.
Now brag the numbers and ready to go on the field. But nothing on same paperwork fiasco and how this could cause bingo to close
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1 hour ago, rjohn76 said:
There's no way to really verify those numbers/progress through the search tools on the DOJ website, unless someone was physically tracking the number of organizations with each status from the start. I recall seeing an article online last year about increased staffing levels at the Registry of Charitable Trusts, with the goal of bringing thousands of organizations into compliance by the end of the year. Trying to find the article again to see if there were exact numbers listed, but the significant drop in delinquent organizations would seem to align with that goal. I do recall from the article that the emphasis was on bringing organizations into compliance vs. suspension/revocation. It seemed at the time that they were willing to give a lot of latitude and leeway to organizations in an effort to gain compliance. As long as the organization was operating in good faith to cure the delinquency, more time was being granted to accomplish that goal.
I figured there was no real way to answer my question. But it was only way I could think of to state my thoughts
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30 minutes ago, Mello Dude said:
Makes me wonder if certain people with a vested interest in bringing a group down has been petitioning the DOJ....
“Petition the DOJ”??? Are saying it’s possible to get the DOJ to act differently to certain groups if you complain enough?
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9 hours ago, rjohn76 said:
What's interesting is that a couple months ago there were over 30,000 charitable organizations listed as delinquent. That number has dropped to about 20,000 as of today from what I can see. Given the significant drop in delinquent organizations, it would appear that the CA DOJ Registry of Charities and Fundraisers is successfully bringing organizations into compliance through their repetitive letters/notices. Hopefully SCV will be one of the next organizations to achieve compliance, but for the moment they remain in good company amongst the many other delinquent organizations.
I didn't spend a lot of time on the registry, but clicked on maybe two dozen organizations that are listed as delinquent. The breadth of organizations varied from a local school PTA to a YWCA branch. Many have been delinquent as long as SCV, if not longer. Similar to SCV, many got 1st and 2nd delinquency letters over the past couple months... so the DOJ has been active with their mailings. Also searching for the organization name on Google revealed that many are continuing to operate status quo, with no acknowledgement of the delinquency status and no pause on fundraising. Not sure if there's a trigger that would cause the DOJ to move faster on an organization (ex. blatant criminal activity), but it doesn't seem like there's a quick move to enforcement.
Looking at the list of suspended organizations, there was typically about 3 months between the 2nd Delinquency Letter and the next mailing which is an "Intent to Suspend or Revoke" letter. Once that letter is received, the organization still has another 30 calendar days to cure the delinquency or request an appeal. So while the focus has been on the mid-January date for compliance, it's quite likely the window for compliance is longer than that and truly dependent on when/if the "Intent to Suspend or Revoke" letter is sent.
Question I have is did the drop in delinquent numbers mean organizations corrected things…. or status went from delinquent to denied (or whatever term is for having non-profit revoked).
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11 minutes ago, greg_orangecounty said:
No, and that's a good thing. I don't believe their 501c3 status will be revoked, or even suspended by the state. In terms of "dead" I was referring to this topic being beaten like a dead horse. But it is the off-season and just my personal opinion.
Wonder what CA track record is for not renewing non-profit status. Was in two PA groups that lost theirs for a while. One missed filing the paperwork (IOW someone screwed up). The other because they no longer met the non-profit qualifications. No idea how much warning they received as the board hid what was going on.
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1 hour ago, Terri Schehr said:
Shooting the messenger happens a lot in drum corps. Stuart Rice was sounding the alarm on you know who for twenty years and everybody said he was crazy. Which he may have been but he was right about that.
Problem I had with Rices RAMD posts was it turned into “something happened somewhere, some time with somebody and someone (else) should do something about it”. IOW he knew or heard the details but didn’t go (or quit going) to the authorities. So one of us should report (with no information). Note: I missed early posts as was a later arrived to RAMD.
Kicker was a Reddit poster claiming RAMD posters had a conspiracy by not reporting. Tried to explain Rice gave us nothing reportable but gave up. That poster was later banned by Reddit…
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2 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
Isn’t it a DCI rule that member Corps must be a tax-exempt nonprofit organization?
Not that DCI hasn’t bent the rules for SCV in the past (1989 cough cough wink wink nudge nudge)…
No idea on this rule… or any rule for that matter. Just a reminder that DCI can do what it wants… but if the state does anything that kills the bingo income 🥲
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Wonder what percentage of people only go to Championships week and don’t FLO. IOW percentage who wouldn’t know the show was changed. Or those who saw the “old” show don’t remember that it was different… or really give a rats hindquarter anyway. “Oh that’s different 🥱”
How much does it really add to a show… or score 😈