Dave Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Doesn't that vary from one manufacturer to another? Or is there an industry standard? You mean in where the bore is defined, or in what the bore is? For the first one, no, my understanding is that there's a standard used by everyone, otherwise the measurement would be pretty pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 One is tuned to Bb and the other it tuned to G. Duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Contra Guy Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 (edited) IMHO, the G bugles have/had a more of an edge to their sound. Plus you had a bit of intonation problem with the G's. With the older 2 valve (valve or piston/rotor) you couldn't get all the notes of a chromatic scale. The newer, now more accepted Bb horns, have a little more "refined" sound. A student can come into a modern day corps, with his or her skill set intact and doesn't have to change or learn a new fingering chart. I am an old schooler, I still prefer the sound of the older G-lines, but I am growing to accept the fact that those G horns will not last forever. But, don't get me started on naration (not for this thread) Edited October 18, 2007 by Old School Contra Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liebot Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 G Trumpet Bb Trumpet G trumpets are stockier and shorter than Bb trumpets. G trumpets also have a more conical bore, as other people have pointed out. ..... trumpet trumpet trumpet trumpet trumpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malambo13 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 G Trumpet Bb Trumpet As you can see from these pictures, Bb trumpets are approximately 1.5 times the size of G bugles. What many people won't tell you about the switch to Bbs is that Hoppy was really just frustrated at the "pansies that are in the Cadets nowadays" and wanted them to hold bigger horns. It had nothing to do with money or sound, just with Georgie being a crotchety old man and whining about back in his day when "we played 200 lb contras and soprano bugles made out of rusty, corrugated, unsanded steel." So yeah, that's the main physical difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein On The Beach Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 G Trumpet Bb Trumpet G trumpets are stockier and shorter than Bb trumpets. G trumpets also have a more conical bore, as other people have pointed out. ..... trumpet trumpet trumpet trumpet trumpet. No, it's a bugle :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravedodger Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 (edited) Correction on the tubing length comparison of the G soprano vs. Bb trumpet: The G soprano is longer than the Bb trumpet, as it with each of the instruments, this is how the they are keyed a minor third lower than their Bb counterparts. More tubing=lower pitch. This is also why the tuba sounds lower than a trumpet and a double horn (french) can can play in extreme ranges from mid tuba range to high trumpet range. Ya'll can have the rest of the argument. :P Edit to add: Each valve also works lengthen a brass instrument when it is depressed. With 2nd valve depressed, the horn is now keyed in A; 1st depressed is Ab, 3rd is G. Edited October 18, 2007 by ravedodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravedodger Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 As you can see from these pictures, Bb trumpets are approximately 1.5 times the size of G bugles. What many people won't tell you about the switch to Bbs is that Hoppy was really just frustrated at the "pansies that are in the Cadets nowadays" and wanted them to hold bigger horns. It had nothing to do with money or sound, just with Georgie being a crotchety old man and whining about back in his day when "we played 200 lb contras and soprano bugles made out of rusty, corrugated, unsanded steel."So yeah, that's the main physical difference. The trumpet you show probably has a bore size of .464 while the soprano shown has a bore of .470. Again, the soprano is actually larger. It is only more compact, meaning it has a different and tighter wrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGuy1288 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 ...I may be completely wrong, but I think Malambo13 was being sarcastic in his post. Because, you know, the picture of the trumpet was about 1.5x larger than the picture of the G bugle. Also, the rest of his post seems slightly untrue. IMHO IMHO IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein On The Beach Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 (edited) ...I may be completely wrong, but I think Malambo13 was being sarcastic in his post. Because, you know, the picture of the trumpet was about 1.5x larger than the picture of the G bugle. Also, the rest of his post seems slightly untrue. IMHO IMHO IMHO Ravedodger kind of knows what he's talking about... Also, I don't know how any of that would be untrue, it's pretty simple physics. Edited October 18, 2007 by Einstein On The Beach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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