xandandl Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, George Dixon said: If you have to teach people where their priorities are you have the wrong people agreed. The review is necessary to remind especially when folks tire along the way. DCI doesn't have any other sorting-hat until the problem shows too late. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slingerland Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Terri Schehr said: I admire your confidence in these corps policing themselves. I’m sorry to say that I don’t share that confidence. Do they even check those online whistleblower forms? Yes. They do, actually. But if someone chooses to believe that the adults who are on the Boards of the corps don't take member safety seriously (people know that YEA was an outlier, right?), they can use DCI's process instead. https://www.dci.org/static/ethics-and-compliance-reporting Edited July 25, 2018 by Slingerland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Slingerland said: Yes. They do, actually. But if someone chooses to believe that the adults who are on the Boards of the corps don't take member safety seriously (people know that YEA was an outlier, right?), they can use DCI's process instead. https://www.dci.org/static/ethics-and-compliance-reporting I know about the DCI link. Sent them something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footform Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 7 hours ago, gabe211 said: I think it's relevant to this thread. There is alleged misconduct and gross negligence going on. Blocking access to proper medical services, lack of regularly provided food, threats/retaliation for any mm's/staff that speak out on conditions. Spent last week with Pio and saw no evidence of any of this. Regular runs for medical treatment when needed, no food shortage, no threats to members, so ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckham Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, BoyWonder1911 said: It seems obvious to me that an audition camp is more than just trying out for a spot, but should be more like an educational clinic. A good educator would run their audition as such. There are some corps that do this and see it as a win/win. Spending the extra time at a couple of camps having staff teach students who have no shot at making the corps is worth it to build a foundation for the future. Some of those kids will be inspired to work hard and will come back and make the corps next year. There may even be one or two kids who were unimpressive at the first camp, work their tail off and impress the staff so much at the second camp that they earn a contract. And if the corps brings in an extra $10,000 from the additional camps fees, that certainly will help get them down the road once tour rolls around. Now the situation that @DCI-86 described is definitely a problem. They need to be clear from the get-go what the premise of the camp is because there are people who fly in from all over the place and spend a lot of money just to audition. There are some corps who definitely make that clear with their "Experience" camps. Edited July 26, 2018 by Beckham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, Beckham said: There are some corps that do this and see it as a win/win. Spending the extra time at a couple of camps having staff teach students who have no shot at making the corps is worth it to build a foundation for the future. Some of those kids will be inspired to work hard and will come back and make the corps next year. There may even be one or two kids who were unimpressive at the first camp, work their tail off and impress the staff so much at the second camp that they earn a contract. And if the corps brings in an extra $10,000 from the additional camps fees, that certainly will help get them down the road once tour rolls around. Now the situation that @DCI-86 described is definitely a problem. They need to be clear from the get-go what the premise of the camp is because there are people who fly in from all over the place and spend a lot of money just to audition. There are some corps who definitely make that clear with their "Experience" camps. Spot on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Slingerland said: Yes. They do, actually. But if someone chooses to believe that the adults who are on the Boards of the corps don't take member safety seriously (people know that YEA was an outlier, right?), they can use DCI's process instead. https://www.dci.org/static/ethics-and-compliance-reporting You have no idea what you are talking about. I challenge you to find one instance relating to member safety that was ever brought to the attention of either DCI or the YEA board relating to The Cadets. Read the posts from the last few years. Plenty of criticism relating to results, personality, management style, but not one accusation (unless the moderators filtered it out). Certainly nothing about hazing either. The entire problem at YEA was that the one person who needed to be most concerned about the members had a dark past known only to the people directly involved. No one else - not the corps members, the staff, or the board knew what had gone on years ago. This kind of unfounded nonsense is how Sean King ended up going through hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 31 minutes ago, Icer said: You have no idea what you are talking about. I challenge you to find one instance relating to member safety that was ever brought to the attention of either DCI or the YEA board relating to The Cadets. Read the posts from the last few years. Plenty of criticism relating to results, personality, management style, but not one accusation (unless the moderators filtered it out). Certainly nothing about hazing either. The entire problem at YEA was that the one person who needed to be most concerned about the members had a dark past known only to the people directly involved. No one else - not the corps members, the staff, or the board knew what had gone on years ago. This kind of unfounded nonsense is how Sean King ended up going through hell. The Reddit mods were Cadets and frequently deleted unflattering stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: The Reddit mods were Cadets and frequently deleted unflattering stuff interesting that that one mod moved on to BD. I trust the judgement of Steve from 7th Regt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 39 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: The Reddit mods were Cadets and frequently deleted unflattering stuff Are we talking unflattering or accusations of assault prior to 2018? And were the Reddit moderators YEA staff or board? If so, please indicate specifically who, because if they suppressed critical information in 2017 and earlier then they should be outed for their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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