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well, apparently down at the ft. lauderdale regional, the equipment judge had placed the top guards in the IW, SW, and IA classes below some of their competitors. FIU, I think, 12-pointed Medea, yet the equipment judge placed them in 3rd? Same with Braddock Independent being behind Premonition and Flanagan behind Stoneman Douglas. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I wouldn't want to start any unnecessary debates.

Just thought it a little funny...

Also, just saw the scores for the Dayton regional finals. What happened to the Avon/Miamisburg scores?

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Well, apparently down at the ft. lauderdale regional, the equipment judge had placed the top guards in the IW, SW, and IA classes below some of their competitors. FIU, I think, 12-pointed Medea, yet the equipment judge placed them in 3rd? Same with Braddock Independent being behind Premonition and Flanagan behind Stoneman Douglas. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I wouldn't want to start any unnecessary debates.

Hmmm...

I attended the Ft. Lauderdale Regional last night. But I haven't yet seen a box-by-box breakdown of the scores from Finals. And as stated by the previous poster, I'm NOT trying to start a snarky debate about something that might not even be true.

But wouldn't it be almost mathematically impossible for Flanagan to have been ranked below any other guard in their class...??? In any box...??? Of any category...???

Flanagan scored 11 full points ahead of second place. Even if one renegade equipment judge went 180 degrees in the opposite direction with his/her numbers, wouldn't the final scores between first and second need to be just a little bit closer somehow...???

Same with FIU. In any category, how could they be placed behind a guard that, ultimately, they outscored by a margin of 12 points...???

I'm definitely not a whiz with the math on these things. So, I'm sure that someone out there will let me know one way or the other about the possibility of scoring like this taking place.

But having seen all the finals performances last night, let me say that I would find it "interesting" if this were to be true.

Just my two cents.

And by the way, there were a lot of really solid, early season shows happening at the Fort Lauderdale Regional yesterday. Very encouraging performances in every class.

The State of Florida is going to be well represented in Dayton this year.

God luck to everyone as the '09 season continues...!!!

:laughing::blink::smile:

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A judge should rank the guards as they see them. Not every caption will be a first for every winner. Some guards may be stronger in movement and weaker in equipment.

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Hmmm...

I attended the Ft. Lauderdale Regional last night. But I haven't yet seen a box-by-box breakdown of the scores from Finals. And as stated by the previous poster, I'm NOT trying to start a snarky debate about something that might not even be true.

But wouldn't it be almost mathematically impossible for Flanagan to have been ranked below any other guard in their class...??? In any box...??? Of any category...???

Flanagan scored 11 full points ahead of second place. Even if one renegade equipment judge went 180 degrees in the opposite direction with his/her numbers, wouldn't the final scores between first and second need to be just a little bit closer somehow...???

Same with FIU. In any category, how could they be placed behind a guard that, ultimately, they outscored by a margin of 12 points...???

I'm definitely not a whiz with the math on these things. So, I'm sure that someone out there will let me know one way or the other about the possibility of scoring like this taking place.

But having seen all the finals performances last night, let me say that I would find it "interesting" if this were to be true.

Just my two cents.

And by the way, there were a lot of really solid, early season shows happening at the Fort Lauderdale Regional yesterday. Very encouraging performances in every class.

The State of Florida is going to be well represented in Dayton this year.

God luck to everyone as the '09 season continues...!!!

:blink::smile::w00t:

Flanagan DID place second to Stoneman in EQUIPMENT in prelims.

But not by much.

But it DID happen.

They DID get first in every other caption though, making it EXTREMELY realistic. :laughing:

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Also, just saw the scores for the Dayton regional finals. What happened to the Avon/Miamisburg scores?

Good question. I saw SW and IW finals, as well as most of the SW and IW prelims. Both Avon and Miamisburg had IMHO better performances in finals. Both had better energy and performance level. The swap between Carmel and Center Grove made sense, maybe even a bigger spread than the scores at finals showed. Zydeco also had a cleaner finals run and I would have expected about an 81.5. So, the finals scores seemed to be a little low from prelims, but the order and spreads seemed pretty accurate. So, I guess the panel just started lower today.

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Good question. I saw SW and IW finals, as well as most of the SW and IW prelims. Both Avon and Miamisburg had IMHO better performances in finals. Both had better energy and performance level. The swap between Carmel and Center Grove made sense, maybe even a bigger spread than the scores at finals showed. Zydeco also had a cleaner finals run and I would have expected about an 81.5. So, the finals scores seemed to be a little low from prelims, but the order and spreads seemed pretty accurate. So, I guess the panel just started lower today.

agreed on everything you said. I was there for both days. . .and this is exactly my thought process to a t.

Zydeco absolutely NAILED their show in finals and I though might be around an 82. .. but given it's still early 80.something is not something to sneeze at. I hope everyone that has the fan network checks out that show, as it's very good.

I think my favorite of the weekend was Milford (SA) what a great and fun show!!! Interplay also had a great fun show too. I think the top 6 in SW from Dayton will be in WGI finals, and all have GREAT shows this year. . ..check out all of SW class on the fan network from the Dayton Regional.

Also, Ventures show was really nice!

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Also, Ventures show was really nice!

Agreed! In fact, I went home to iTunes and bought the music they used. Wouldn't it be great if WGI listed the music in the units' soundtracks? Since all of them have had to clear copyright requirements, it would be a way for the artists/music to get more recognition.

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So glad to see winter guard starting again down here in sunny (but cold) South Florida. I was able to go to the Ft. Lauderdale/Miami regional yesterday and I figured I would post my reviews of what I saw. I wasn’t able to make it to prelims because of work, but when I met up with some friends I had heard a lot about what had happened that morning. I did hear about all of the judging issues, I wonder if those were fixed up for finals.

Scholastic A:

Spanish River is in a league of their own with this group. I’m not sure how I feel about their show personally, but they are definitely a talented group of kids. The show is just kind of there for me though. I kind of felt that way about all of the groups that were in SA finals. Coral Glades, Timber Creek, and Cypress Bay all had nice shows. I just wish that one of them pushed the boundaries a little more. All of them are filled with talented kids though and well put together shows. Lyman definitely stuck out to me, although I felt they didn’t have a very strong run to go along with their very strong look and show. Seemed a little sloppy, which is probably why they gave up their higher placement from prelims.

Independent A:

Medea seems really young, and not what I am used to from them. I remember the girls who looked like they could be cocktail waitresses at a casino. However, this group looks very young and high school-aged. I think they will be doing a lot of growing over the course of the season and will definitely improve. I believe Gainesville Independent is new, but look quite polished for this time of year. I would like to see a little more meat in their show but I won’t discredit their graceful performance. FIU has taken jumps forwards from last year and I am so happy to see them back in a good spot!!

Scholastic Open:

I hate to say this, but this was probably the most disappointing class for me. I loved University last year, and I love their show this year. However, those kids couldn’t hang on to anything last night. I really liked them and thought they could have been a lot higher---had they caught half of what they tossed. Hopefully they got the wake up call. Colonial was very weak, but held themselves together pretty well. I heard their run in prelims was not pretty and had really pulled it together for finals. Santaluces seems the same this year as they do in past years, but they had a pretty decent run. I don’t understand the show though at all. I would have flip flopped Cooper City and Cypress Creek personally. Cypress Creek had a much better run though than Cooper City. Not that Cooper City had a bad run, they were just a little sloppy in comparison to Cypress Creek. I think this group of 5 will have lots of flipping around throughout the course of the season.

Scholastic World:

I’m not sure why people were so upset over Flanagan. I kept hearing how they are not anything like they were last year (minus the ending flag feature allegedly being the same). I thought they did really well though. In comparison to the rest of the guards they did deserve their score. It was really impressed though and I think they will do well again this year. I’m not going to predict placements in Dayton because I haven’t heard about anyone else, but I do think they will do well. Stoneman Douglas is not the same guard I’m used to. I’m going to hope for the best for them and assume they will continue to grow and get better. I think the fact that they are smaller than we are used to is impacting the way we view them. They are such strong young women and used to create intensity based on how many intense women there would be on that floor. I expected to have to wear ear plugs for Seminole’s show based on previous reports on how their music was irritating and hard to listen to. However, I think this is the best Seminole that I have seen yet. I didn’t really care for Freedom’s show. They did a really good job though with what they have.

Independent World:

I liked Fahrenheit a whole lot more than I did last year. The crowd was loving every minute of their show. The Knights show seemed very similar to Freedom’s. They are a lot bigger than they were last year and it gives you a lot to look at. I just couldn’t get into the show though unfortunately. Premonition was one of the crowd favorites of the night and definitely gets people on their feet. I think that they will get into finals though this year for sure. Did they use the same music at Fahrenheit though? I wasn’t sure, but I was thinking about that on the way home. I loved Braddock Independent though. They were the highlight of the night for me and my friends around me. Their saber line was probably the tightest saber line of the night and their movement put them in a totally different realm all together.

These are just my thoughts though IMHO and I hope I’m not sparking any debates. Good luck everyone!

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Agreed! In fact, I went home to iTunes and bought the music they used. Wouldn't it be great if WGI listed the music in the units' soundtracks? Since all of them have had to clear copyright requirements, it would be a way for the artists/music to get more recognition.

We have to share a brain! :-) Ventures music "Slow me down" by Emmy Rossum became a fav of mine last summer. . . .when it came on, I was like I know this, I like this song. . . . So last night, I went home to see if it was on my Ipod and there it was! :-) I had forgotten all about it. . .

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