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Why won't DCI let us watch finals LIVE?

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I know, they would probably charge $29.99, making this whole idea useless.

But Peel, you're looking past my second point there. Watching a stream still isn't enough to take hardcore fans out of the seats. You're talking about travel plans, food, lodging, the whole deal - is someone THAT into DCI, who flies to finals, going to say "ehh, forget it" because there's a streaming option online? I don't think so.

People go to see the experience live. For those who don't care to see finals live (in my case, Allentown is only the weekend before and you see the same shows) or don't have the money to fly to Indy, there should be some sort of streaming option.

And if that is why DCI is concerned, why stream Quarters/Semis at all? Won't people skip those ticketed events to stay in the movie theaters? But they don't... :devil:

No, I disagree with you and the others here who think $10 streamed finals wouldn't affect attendance. Quarters in the theaters has indeed hurt attendance at quarterfinals, and the theater prices are not as high as the ticket prices. I'm confident that $10 streamed finals would seriously hurt finals attendance. If people could sit at home, watch it live from the 50 and up close in multicam with great sound, record it streamed so they didn't have to buy DVDs (and I know it's against the rules, but it can be done), there are many who would save the pile of cash to do it.

And $30 for streamed finals? You're still quite low. $30 is what they charge for streamed semis! Finals ticket prices run about 167% of semi ticket prices. That works out to probably $50 for streamed finals, at least.

They have to make a significant portion of their revenue on tickets for finals and on finals media. That's the event people want. If they don't make serious coin on that one event, there are corps that will die.

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A one-time fee to watch a web stream wouldn't compete with buying DVDs... as stated, with the DVDs you get replay-ability. With the webcast you do not.

As for it taking fans out of the stands... again, no. Quality of an online audio stream =/= live performance. If watching things on TV REALLY was a big hit to events then professional sports would be screwed. People will still get to shows FIRST using webcasts as a BACK-UP plan.

Um, out of curiousity have you been paying attention to the current economic state of the professional sports? The NBA has had to LOWER its salary cap for the first time due to economic struggles. Hockey is still struggling to re-establish its fan-base. Baseball has had to go to what essentially amounts to a socialist standard to keep its lower market teams viable. As popular as football is, some of its teams have not escaped financial struggle (Detroit Lions, St. Louis Rams, Kansas City Chiefs anyone?) and the league is talking about extending the season by 2 games to gain more revenue. The problem? Getting butts in the seats. People are more willing to forego paying $50-100 per ticket to see ONE game and instead will pay $40-50 a MONTH and see 4 (or more) games from the comfort of their living room, and that doesn't even include the issue of concessions. Am I saying that the expansion of TV coverage is the only economic driver for these developments? No, but it has been a major player. Why do you think each sport is going about trying to get its own channel and charging up the wazzoo? If you're not going to grace them with your presence IN the stadium/arena, then they will get it from you another way. But they are struggling as well. The point of TV for the major sports was to motivate people to ultimately want to go to games where they were happening. Instead, the level of access TV has is creating the reverse effect.

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No, I disagree with you and the others here who think $10 streamed finals wouldn't affect attendance. Quarters in the theaters has indeed hurt attendance at quarterfinals, and the theater prices are not as high as the ticket prices. I'm confident that $10 streamed finals would seriously hurt finals attendance. If people could sit at home, watch it live from the 50 and up close in multicam with great sound, record it streamed so they didn't have to buy DVDs (and I know it's against the rules, but it can be done), there are many who would save the pile of cash to do it.

And $30 for streamed finals? You're still quite low. $30 is what they charge for streamed semis! Finals ticket prices run about 167% of semi ticket prices. That works out to probably $50 for streamed finals, at least.

They have to make a significant portion of their revenue on tickets for finals and on finals media. That's the event people want. If they don't make serious coin on that one event, there are corps that will die.

I say charge the same price as the DVD for a webcast/stream and DCI wouldn't loose any money.

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Um, out of curiousity have you been paying attention to the current economic state of the professional sports? The NBA has had to LOWER its salary cap for the first time due to economic struggles. Hockey is still struggling to re-establish its fan-base. Baseball has had to go to what essentially amounts to a socialist standard to keep its lower market teams viable. As popular as football is, some of its teams have not escaped financial struggle (Detroit Lions, St. Louis Rams, Kansas City Chiefs anyone?) and the league is talking about extending the season by 2 games to gain more revenue. The problem? Getting butts in the seats. People are more willing to forego paying $50-100 per ticket to see ONE game and instead will pay $40-50 a MONTH and see 4 (or more) games from the comfort of their living room, and that doesn't even include the issue of concessions. Am I saying that the expansion of TV coverage is the only economic driver for these developments? No, but it has been a major player. Why do you think each sport is going about trying to get its own channel and charging up the wazzoo? If you're not going to grace them with your presence IN the stadium/arena, then they will get it from you another way. But they are struggling as well. The point of TV for the major sports was to motivate people to ultimately want to go to games where they were happening. Instead, the level of access TV has is creating the reverse effect.

How many games do the Yankees sell out? The Cubs? The Lakers? As an Alabama fan I can tell you it doesn't matter if we're playing Auburn in the Iron Bowl, a #1 ranked team, or the last place team in the country, all 92,138 seats are sold before the game (some people can't make it, obviously, but the game is always sold out)... so for DCI's BIGGEST EVENT OF THE YEAR... I don't think there would be a problem.

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if you charge $10 to watch finals live....that means the top 12 corps' are makin what....a couple cents in royalties?

You gotta remember that the corps' that appear on the finals dvd's, get a share of the revenue, whatever that share may be.

That also becomes long term revenue (even though it might not be much, but hey, it's still money), as to where the royalties from a $10 viewing would be a 1 time payment.

please correct me if i'm wrong (i'm pretty sure I remember having a discussion in 2002 with my corps director about this, cause he mentioned that e (Phantom) got royalties for every single Legacy dvd)

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How many games do the Yankees sell out? The Cubs? The Lakers? As an Alabama fan I can tell you it doesn't matter if we're playing Auburn in the Iron Bowl, a #1 ranked team, or the last place team in the country, all 92,138 seats are sold before the game (some people can't make it, obviously, but the game is always sold out)... so for DCI's BIGGEST EVENT OF THE YEAR... I don't think there would be a problem.

Actually, the Yankees have been having trouble selling out their home games for the first time in a long time. As for Alabama...you get, what, 7 total home games in a given season? The opportunities are fewer and the stakes higher for each individual game, so more people want to see it. And, not every Alabama game is televised nationally, so fans can't depend on TV to provide them what they want.

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Actually, the Yankees have been having trouble selling out their home games for the first time in a long time. As for Alabama...you get, what, 7 total home games in a given season? The opportunities are fewer and the stakes higher for each individual game, so more people want to see it. And, not every Alabama game is televised nationally, so fans can't depend on TV to provide them what they want.

Well, the Yankees were asking $2500.00 per game for some of those seats. You have to have quite an opinion of your product to believe that you could sel many baseball tickets at those prices. No the Red Sox, on the other hand...

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A one-time Fan Network quality stream vs. re-playability whenever you want...with great picture quality and all the sound options/video angles...

Or... CAMTASIA ;)

But really, anybody that would NOT go to a live show BECAUSE they can sit at home and watch it in all it's compression-artifacted, low-def, tinny-audio glory... well... maybe this is not an activity you "really get" anyway?

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No, I disagree with you and the others here who think $10 streamed finals wouldn't affect attendance. Quarters in the theaters has indeed hurt attendance at quarterfinals, and the theater prices are not as high as the ticket prices. I'm confident that $10 streamed finals would seriously hurt finals attendance. If people could sit at home, watch it live from the 50 and up close in multicam with great sound, record it streamed so they didn't have to buy DVDs (and I know it's against the rules, but it can be done), there are many who would save the pile of cash to do it.

And $30 for streamed finals? You're still quite low. $30 is what they charge for streamed semis! Finals ticket prices run about 167% of semi ticket prices. That works out to probably $50 for streamed finals, at least.

They have to make a significant portion of their revenue on tickets for finals and on finals media. That's the event people want. If they don't make serious coin on that one event, there are corps that will die.

I don't think it would affect Finals attendance nearly as much as you say (it didn't in the past.) I think most people who would order a Finals stream wouldn't be attending anyway- due to money and/or time constraints, and this would present both an opportunity for these fans to experience it "live" (so to speak) and DCI a chance to bring in another revenue stream. As much as I'd like to attend, there's NO chance of it right now- but I'd certainly plop down for the chance to watch it live. (Assuming the've worked out the technical issues.)

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