perc2100 Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 It might've taken some of us a circular route to get to this.... but it's finally out there :nobody knows nuttin'. An dems dat know, dae ain't talkin' ta nobuddy! Or to quote one of the best movies of the 1980's: "Those who'll tell don't know. Those who know won't tell."~Da Mayor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perc2100 Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 Oh, and once more, PLEASE don't feed the trolls. They're more prevalent here in this thread than in the entire Lord of the Rings series. HA!!! Nice reference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedci Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 Actually, it said the Board of Directors; only six WC corps are represented on the board.I don't think Crown is represented on the Board. The only two members I can recall are Greg Orwoll (Colts) and Rick Valenzuela (Phantom). Does anyone remember who the other four are? The last time I checked the 990s for the WC corps, they reported from $90K (Pioneer) to almost $400K (the top corps) in performance revenue. A goverance clarifcation -- the board of directors of DCI is NOT comprised of CORPS, it is individuals who are supposed to act as representatives of the collective Membership, not as representatives of their respective corps. While Hopkins, Fiedler, Orwall, Arnold, Valenzuela and Glasgow are corps directors, they sit on the board as individuals, not corps representatives. Corps are Members, not of the board but of the collective Membership, and they designate someone to represent them as Members and as part of the collective Memberships. This is substantially different than pre-2008 DCI in which the Board was comprised of corps, not individuals. This may sound like a trivual distinction, but it is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiga Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 Interesting.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanAndreasen Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 the collective the BORG have arrived in our lifetime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOReason Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 A goverance clarifcation -- the board of directors of DCI is NOT comprised of CORPS, it is individuals who are supposed to act as representatives of the collective Membership, not as representatives of their respective corps. While Hopkins, Fiedler, Orwall, Arnold, Valenzuela and Glasgow are corps directors, they sit on the board as individuals, not corps representatives. Corps are Members, not of the board but of the collective Membership, and they designate someone to represent them as Members and as part of the collective Memberships. This is substantially different than pre-2008 DCI in which the Board was comprised of corps, not individuals. This may sound like a trivual distinction, but it is not.Say wha...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedci Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 Say wha...? the DCI Board of Directors is comprised of nine INDIVIDUALS, six of whom are affiliated with Member corps and three who are not. The Membership, as a body, elected these individuals who are supposed act in the best interests of the organization and the Membership, not any specific corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 A goverance clarifcation -- the board of directors of DCI is NOT comprised of CORPS, it is individuals who are supposed to act as representatives of the collective Membership, not as representatives of their respective corps. While Hopkins, Fiedler, Orwall, Arnold, Valenzuela and Glasgow are corps directors, they sit on the board as individuals, not corps representatives. Corps are Members, not of the board but of the collective Membership, and they designate someone to represent them as Members and as part of the collective Memberships. This is substantially different than pre-2008 DCI in which the Board was comprised of corps, not individuals. This may sound like a trivual distinction, but it is not. Without positing on the factual nature of this description, it sounds like some psycho-babble dreamed up by some pointy-headed intellectual who doesn't live in the real world and tries to convince humanity that he's right and everyone else is wrong. If this is DCI's position on governance they are deluding themselves and stirring tea for us all to drink. If the BOD of DCI is made up as suggested it's absolute lunacy to believe that these men are making decisions from any perspective other than from that of their corps. To suggest that one could forsake the benefit of one's corps for the collective good of the organization goes against the very nature of the directorship of the corps. This is very simply the basis of why corporate boards of directors are made up of outside directors. Only the uninvolved opinion of the structure of the organization can be additive to the long-term success of the organization. The ability to work together for the betterment of the activity is an obvious benefit, but it's foolish to believe that any person can make decisions completely removed from his reality and responsibility. Corps directors are simply not going to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. You can turn the stripes on a zebra horizontal, but it's still a zebra. Once a corps director, always a corps director until you resign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedci Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 (edited) Without positing on the factual nature of this description, it sounds like some psycho-babble dreamed up by some pointy-headed intellectual who doesn't live in the real world and tries to convince humanity that he's right and everyone else is wrong. If this is DCI's position on governance they are deluding themselves and stirring tea for us all to drink.If the BOD of DCI is made up as suggested it's absolute lunacy to believe that these men are making decisions from any perspective other than from that of their corps. To suggest that one could forsake the benefit of one's corps for the collective good of the organization goes against the very nature of the directorship of the corps. This is very simply the basis of why corporate boards of directors are made up of outside directors. Only the uninvolved opinion of the structure of the organization can be additive to the long-term success of the organization. The ability to work together for the betterment of the activity is an obvious benefit, but it's foolish to believe that any person can make decisions completely removed from his reality and responsibility. Corps directors are simply not going to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. You can turn the stripes on a zebra horizontal, but it's still a zebra. Once a corps director, always a corps director until you resign. the by-laws of DCI are what they are. the degree to which corps directors elected as board members can balance their roles and fullfill their fudicary obligations is reasonably identified as a potential issue, which i suspect was foreseen by the Membership. Edited May 15, 2010 by stevedci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 This is very simply the basis of why corporate boards of directors are made up of outside directors. Only the uninvolved opinion of the structure of the organization can be additive to the long-term success of the organization. Like the American Legion? That's why DCI exists. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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