jeff_demello Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Check out these two photos of graphs representing the 1980 Repertoires vs. 2010 (by genre). Discuss? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommytimp Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Those parameters are somewhat narrow. What is "classical" anymore? Is music from "The Bucket List" (for instance) classical? It's a film score, and I don't see that on the chart. And is the left hand number of compositions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecoats88 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Well I think your definitions of the 2010 music is slightly off. 1st off you don't list any film music and I know the bluecoats opener was from the film Angels & Demons. In addition 3 pieces in the Blue Stars Rep were also from films, 2 from the Hours and 1 from the Bucket List, and I believe the glassmen also had a film piece from The Lion in Winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Brace Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yeah, methodology is flawed. I would suggest to close this topic and do significantly more research, present more raw data and allow other members of DCP to work on the process with you. Simply throwing out an Excel chart doesn't make the data true. But, nice try. Keep up the work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yea categories are off... If you're going to compare two years like this you need to at least use the same categories in each graph... Plus you need a description about how you actually categorized the songs into those genres because logic seems lacking... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Warning - this is long. With many thanks to Corpsreps, there's the songs listed for each year. Should you like to work on comparisons and conclusions. Mike 1980 Blue Devils - New York Fantasy Blue Devils - Ya Gotta Try Blue Devils - Pegasus Blue Devils - Free Blue Devils - La Suerte de Los Tontos (from Cuban Fire Suite) Blue Devils - Pauper in Paradise Blue Devils - Dindi 27th Lancers - English Folk Song Suite 27th Lancers - Open Wide 27th Lancers - On The 20th Century 27th Lancers - New Country 27th Lancers - Danny Boy Bridgemen - Thunder and Blazes Bridgemen - The Pursuit of the Lady Bridgemen - In the Stone Bridgemen - Big Noise from Winnetka (from Reveille with Beverly) Bridgemen - War Between the States Spirit of Atlanta - Georgia on My Mind Spirit of Atlanta - Old Man River (from Showboat) Spirit of Atlanta - Devil Went Down to Georgia Spirit of Atlanta - Sweet Georgia Brown (from Bubbling Brown Sugar) Spirit of Atlanta - Let It Be Me Phantom Regiment - Russian Easter Overture Phantom Regiment - Romany Life Phantom Regiment - Polovetsian Dances (from Prince Igor) Phantom Regiment - Masquerade Suite Phantom Regiment - Carmen Suite Madison Scouts - They're Playing Our Song Madison Scouts - Malaguena Madison Scouts - New Country Madison Scouts - Through the Eyes of Love Santa Clara Vanguard - Fanfare Symphony No. 4 Opus 36 Santa Clara Vanguard - Procession of the Nobles Santa Clara Vanguard - Stone Ground Seven Santa Clara Vanguard - Selections from Evita Santa Clara Vanguard - Jupiter (from The Planets) Crossmen - Pictures De Espana Crossmen - Tiger of San Pedro Crossmen - Spanish Fantasy Crossmen - Jack Miraculous Crossmen - Superman Medley The Cavaliers - Esmeralda Suite The Cavaliers - Suncatchers The Cavaliers - Sing Sing Sing The Cavaliers - Sambandrea Swing The Cavaliers - Softly As I Leave You The Cadets - One Voice The Cadets - Evening Concert The Cadets - Fernando's Fantasy The Cadets - Fire Dance The Cadets - The Elks' Parade The Cadets - Through the Eyes of Love North Star - Hot Consuelo (from Children of Sanchez) North Star - El Gato Triste North Star - Bellavia North Star - Where Am I Going? North Star - Cookout North Star - Still North Star - Ole Guardsmen - The Sea Hawk Guardsmen - Tiger of San Pedro Guardsmen - Xylophonia Guardsmen - The Wasps Guardsmen - Greensleeves 2010 Blue Devils - City of Glass Suite Blue Devils - Laura Blue Devils - La Suerte de Los Tontos (from Cuban Fire Suite) Cavaliers - Mad World Cavaliers - Harrison's Dream Cavaliers - Dismantling Utopia Cavaliers - Smile Bluecoats - 160 BPM from Angels and Demons Bluecoats - AHA! Bluecoats - Metropolis Bluecoats - Asphalt Cocktail Carolina Crown - Resurrection Symphony (Symphony No. 2) Carolina Crown - Symphony No. 2 Carolina Crown - Danzon No.2 Carolina Crown - Nimrod ‘from Enigma Variations’ Carolina Crown - Resurrection Symphony (Symphony No. 2) Cadets - Procession of the Nobles Cadets - The School for Scandal - Overture Cadets - Prelude to Act II and Maypole Dances from Merry Mount Suite Cadets - Children's Dance (from Merry Mount Suite) Cadets - Dance of the Tumblers Cadets - March of the Toys from Babes in Toyland Phantom Regiment - The New Moon in the Old Moon's Arms Santa Clara Vanguard - Bartók - Concerto for Orchestra Santa Clara Vanguard - Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta Blue Stars - Notes on A Scandal Blue Stars - Morning Passages (from The Hours) Blue Stars - Primacy of Number from Naqoyqatsil Blue Stars - The Illusionist Blue Stars - Trapped Blue Stars - Tearing Herself Away (from The Hours) Blue Stars - The Mountain (from The Bucket List) Blue Stars - Nixon in China Boston Crusaders - Throne Procession and Fanfare Boston Crusaders - Tenth Symphony, Second Movement Boston Crusaders - Power Shift Boston Crusaders - Planet Damnation Boston Crusaders - Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini (variation 18) Boston Crusaders - The Quest for Glory Madison Scouts - Slaughter on 10th Avenue (from On Your Toes) Madison Scouts - Rhapsody in Blue Blue Knights - L'Arlesienne Suite No. 2: Farandole Blue Knights - W.N.(from Enigma Variations) Blue Knights - Nimrod (from Enigma Variations) Blue Knights - First Symphony; Movement 4 Glassmen - Mercy (from The Prayer Cycle) Glassmen - Primacy of Number (from Naqoyqatsi) Glassmen - Terminal Glassmen - Hope (from The Prayer Cycle) Glassmen - Epiphanies (from Fanfare & Chorales) Glassmen - We’re All Jungle Creatures (from The Lion In Winter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Brace Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Warning - this is long. With many thanks to Corpsreps, there's the songs listed for each year. Should you like to work on comparisons and conclusions. Mike 1980 Blue Devils - New York Fantasy Blue Devils - Ya Gotta Try Blue Devils - Pegasus Blue Devils - Free Blue Devils - La Suerte de Los Tontos (from Cuban Fire Suite) Blue Devils - Pauper in Paradise Blue Devils - Dindi 27th Lancers - English Folk Song Suite 27th Lancers - Open Wide 27th Lancers - On The 20th Century 27th Lancers - New Country 27th Lancers - Danny Boy Bridgemen - Thunder and Blazes Bridgemen - The Pursuit of the Lady Bridgemen - In the Stone Bridgemen - Big Noise from Winnetka (from Reveille with Beverly) Bridgemen - War Between the States Spirit of Atlanta - Georgia on My Mind Spirit of Atlanta - Old Man River (from Showboat) Spirit of Atlanta - Devil Went Down to Georgia Spirit of Atlanta - Sweet Georgia Brown (from Bubbling Brown Sugar) Spirit of Atlanta - Let It Be Me Phantom Regiment - Russian Easter Overture Phantom Regiment - Romany Life Phantom Regiment - Polovetsian Dances (from Prince Igor) Phantom Regiment - Masquerade Suite Phantom Regiment - Carmen Suite Madison Scouts - They're Playing Our Song Madison Scouts - Malaguena Madison Scouts - New Country Madison Scouts - Through the Eyes of Love Santa Clara Vanguard - Fanfare Symphony No. 4 Opus 36 Santa Clara Vanguard - Procession of the Nobles Santa Clara Vanguard - Stone Ground Seven Santa Clara Vanguard - Selections from Evita Santa Clara Vanguard - Jupiter (from The Planets) Crossmen - Pictures De Espana Crossmen - Tiger of San Pedro Crossmen - Spanish Fantasy Crossmen - Jack Miraculous Crossmen - Superman Medley The Cavaliers - Esmeralda Suite The Cavaliers - Suncatchers The Cavaliers - Sing Sing Sing The Cavaliers - Sambandrea Swing The Cavaliers - Softly As I Leave You The Cadets - One Voice The Cadets - Evening Concert The Cadets - Fernando's Fantasy The Cadets - Fire Dance The Cadets - The Elks' Parade The Cadets - Through the Eyes of Love North Star - Hot Consuelo (from Children of Sanchez) North Star - El Gato Triste North Star - Bellavia North Star - Where Am I Going? North Star - Cookout North Star - Still North Star - Ole Guardsmen - The Sea Hawk Guardsmen - Tiger of San Pedro Guardsmen - Xylophonia Guardsmen - The Wasps Guardsmen - Greensleeves 2010 Blue Devils - City of Glass Suite Blue Devils - Laura Blue Devils - La Suerte de Los Tontos (from Cuban Fire Suite) Cavaliers - Mad World Cavaliers - Harrison's Dream Cavaliers - Dismantling Utopia Cavaliers - Smile Bluecoats - 160 BPM from Angels and Demons Bluecoats - AHA! Bluecoats - Metropolis Bluecoats - Asphalt Cocktail Carolina Crown - Resurrection Symphony (Symphony No. 2) Carolina Crown - Symphony No. 2 Carolina Crown - Danzon No.2 Carolina Crown - Nimrod ‘from Enigma Variations’ Carolina Crown - Resurrection Symphony (Symphony No. 2) Cadets - Procession of the Nobles Cadets - The School for Scandal - Overture Cadets - Prelude to Act II and Maypole Dances from Merry Mount Suite Cadets - Children's Dance (from Merry Mount Suite) Cadets - Dance of the Tumblers Cadets - March of the Toys from Babes in Toyland Phantom Regiment - The New Moon in the Old Moon's Arms Santa Clara Vanguard - Bartók - Concerto for Orchestra Santa Clara Vanguard - Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta Blue Stars - Notes on A Scandal Blue Stars - Morning Passages (from The Hours) Blue Stars - Primacy of Number from Naqoyqatsil Blue Stars - The Illusionist Blue Stars - Trapped Blue Stars - Tearing Herself Away (from The Hours) Blue Stars - The Mountain (from The Bucket List) Blue Stars - Nixon in China Boston Crusaders - Throne Procession and Fanfare Boston Crusaders - Tenth Symphony, Second Movement Boston Crusaders - Power Shift Boston Crusaders - Planet Damnation Boston Crusaders - Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini (variation 18) Boston Crusaders - The Quest for Glory Madison Scouts - Slaughter on 10th Avenue (from On Your Toes) Madison Scouts - Rhapsody in Blue Blue Knights - L'Arlesienne Suite No. 2: Farandole Blue Knights - W.N.(from Enigma Variations) Blue Knights - Nimrod (from Enigma Variations) Blue Knights - First Symphony; Movement 4 Glassmen - Mercy (from The Prayer Cycle) Glassmen - Primacy of Number (from Naqoyqatsi) Glassmen - Terminal Glassmen - Hope (from The Prayer Cycle) Glassmen - Epiphanies (from Fanfare & Chorales) Glassmen - We’re All Jungle Creatures (from The Lion In Winter) So, 51 selections from 2010. 64 selections from 1980. My initial assessment is 39 songs from classical sources from 2010...I could be plus or minus 4 in either direction. More analysis to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommytimp Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) And there you go. Look at Guradsmen from 1980-a film chart, a jazz chart, a piece for percussion ensemble, incidental music for an English version of Aristophanes (OK, it's also an orchestral suite), and a folksong. SCV is also as varied, with three classical pieces, a vocal jazz drum solo, and a Broadway (by way of London) concert. This is the kind of discussoin that might be fun in the abstract, but almost hopeless in concrete form, kind of like "What kind of Broadway musical is this?" Edited February 10, 2011 by tommytimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Tanji Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Before you guys go off into analysis paralysis mode, does anyone really deny that that modern drum corps is completely dominated by music from the classical genre or music that is closely related to it? Seems blatantly obvious to me. Edited February 10, 2011 by BDUFLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommytimp Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 "Music that is closely related to it." That's the point to me. If we're going to discuss whether Asphalt Cocktail and Nixon in China belong on the same page as Procession of the Nobles or Bartok's Conceeto for Orchestra, we can't avoid analysis paralysis. But if we put them on the same page, yes, you're correct. That seems to be what the judges want to hear these days. And I peg it around 1990. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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