skywhopper Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 (edited) Careful -- this is a look at the *organization's* expenses, not the corps'. BDBPA, Inc. has more programs than just the drum corps. As does YEA!, Crown, etc. Edited to say that some of the orgs actually have the programs itemized. If my numbers look weird, I encourage you to check out my findings on the corps' 990s. For BD Performing Arts's 2009 990, they reported a total of $4,343,862 in revenue and $3,425,593 in expenses. The "program expenses" broke down thusly: $1,635,936 Blue Devils "A" Corps $277,101 Blue Devils "B" Corps $111,859 DCI West show $250,215 Winter Guard, Diablo Wind Symphony, BDC, etc The rest of their expenses in 2009 were related to bingo. Edited August 4, 2012 by skywhopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
see me Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 There is already revenue sharing in the form of show fees. A lot of the less successful corps are likely getting higher fees by performing in a show with the more successful corps than they would be getting if the successful corps were not there. SO NOT true. OC corps do NOT get paid show fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Translated: All but the top corps should go away and play in your own sandbox so the top corps can claim 40 years of DCI history (and rights) for their own without having to slice the revenue pie so thin. Since you just confirmed that Open Class corps, to the best of your knowledge, are a) Getting pushed out of competing at shows alongside the WC corps; b) Only get paid if they compete in shows alongside WC corps, is not your translation above already happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywhopper Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 (edited) Good grief or not all you want, it is a true statement. The DCI Board would characterize this idea way that way and in stronger language than that. I'm not in favor of the G7 idea in any way, shape, or form, but shifting money by DCI policy from a corps with a solid revenue-raising program to a struggling one is not a path to success for drum corps generally. It's just such an overstatement and ultimately it's an attempt to shut down discussion by lobbing an exaggerated word with negative connotations into the conversation instead of addressing anything directly. If "socialist" could even mean something in the context of a group of non-profits who depend greatly on donations and who have already agreed to a great amount of sharing of resources, it would imply that DCI was going to own or control a significant amount of the corps or their equipment. If you want to argue against revenue sharing, which plenty of other competitive leagues utilize to assist teams with revenue challenges, do so. But please don't resort to nastygramming the conversation with a shutdown word. To be clear what I'm arguing here, I don't think "revenue sharing" as in just taking a hunk of BD's revenue and handing it over to Cascades and Pioneer is a good idea at all. But please don't just dismiss it by calling it "socialist" which it's not. Edited August 4, 2012 by skywhopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
see me Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Please correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that: a) Open Class corps get paid from DCI when they compete in WC/OC combined shows. b) Open Class corps do not get paid from DCI when they compete in OC only shows. c) It is becoming increasingly harder for OC corps to be included in shows with WC corps. Am I wrong on any of these? 100% CORRECT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 (edited) SO NOT true. OC corps do NOT get paid show fees. Sort of..... (with conformation from Garfield and your on posting) it appears that OC corps do not get show fees if they compete at OC only shows; on the other hand OC corps do get show fees if they compete at a venue alongside WC corps; however, WC/OC shows are becoming more and more rare. Therefore, OC corps today are not getting show fees at 'most' shows because those shows are OC only shows. Edited August 4, 2012 by Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 It's just such an overstatement and ultimately it's an attempt to shut down discussion by lobbing an exaggerated word with negative connotations into the conversation instead of addressing anything directly. If "socialist" could even mean something in the context of a group of non-profits who depend greatly on donations and who have already agreed to a great amount of sharing of resources, it would imply that DCI was going to own or control a significant amount of the corps or their equipment. If you want to argue against revenue sharing, which plenty of other competitive leagues utilize to assist teams with revenue challenges, do so. But please don't resort to nastygramming the conversation with a shutdown word. To be clear what I'm arguing here, I don't think "revenue sharing" as in just taking a hunk of BD's revenue and handing it over to Cascades and Pioneer is a good idea at all. But please don't just dismiss it by calling it "socialist" which it's not. Lighten up Francis (from the movie Stripes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Another correct me if I am wrong statement: Open Class Corps brought some of this upon themselves by voting in their Open Class convention a few years back to stop giving themselves show fees. Am I wrong on that statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peel Paint Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 To be clear what I'm arguing here, I don't think "revenue sharing" as in just taking a hunk of BD's revenue and handing it over to Cascades and Pioneer is a good idea at all. But please don't just dismiss it by calling it "socialist" which it's not. OK, I see your point now, and if you interpret OP's question to limit revenue sharing within the scope of DCI revenue, then I agree with you: that is not a socialistic policy. And I led my answer by saying that DCI already does that. I have no problem with that. It was one of the major reasons DCI was set up. I read his question--and that's me and not necessarily what OP intended---as suggesting that money should be taken from BD to give to struggling corps. That would never fly. Nor should it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 SO NOT true. OC corps do NOT get paid show fees. Well, umm, someone better share this fact with DCI, because they most certainly billed us for the OC that performed in our show this past week. The fact is that, if an OC corps performs with WC corps in a show, they get paid from DCI. Been that way for the 5 years I've been involved with the show. Maybe that's the real scandal here; DCI is charging TEP's for OC corps to perform at their show, and then they're not paying that money to the OC corps. Pitchforks! (/sarcasm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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