JimF-LowBari Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Think there would be a lot less different than you believe. IIRC, main difference between todays Bb and G is the length of lead pipe or some other tubing. IMO - the big difference is how corps play today and not the key. Two weeks I'll be watching DCA and only way I'll know what key the corps are in is if someone tells me. Any difference in sound between the corps could be explained by differences key or manufacturer to my untrained but experienced ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breezemont Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Think there would be a lot less different than you believe. IIRC, main difference between todays Bb and G is the length of lead pipe or some other tubing. IMO - the big difference is how corps play today and not the key. I've played and repaired my share of G bugles since the 1970's to know the answer to these questions.The bell taper on the Kanstul Power Bore model G bugle is made on the same bell madrel as Flip Oak's Wild Thing Bb trumpet. The major difference between them is the bugle bell is made in two pieces and the Wild Thing is made in one piece. The standard model Kanstul and DEG an King soprano G bugle bells are more like a"funnel" shape like a Martin Committee but are much larger than any Bb trumept bell. As a matter of fact the majority G bugles have MORE cylindrical tubing than a Bb trumpet. The mouthpipes DO NOT taper all the way to the tuning slide as you would expect on a cornet. The only exception is the 1980's Tittlist G soprano bugles by Getzen which have a continuous taper from mouthpiece receiver to tuning slide like a cornet. I hope this answers your questions about G bugles. Jim Becker Brass Repair Specialist Osmun Music Inc. http://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54385&sid=f9acc4d5a44799b288d551ae65d65c7e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJQiIkL8RX8 watch the trumpets. it is a horn switch Well, you're correct, but that wasn't what he was looking for! If you're going to use that example, Star '86 did that... Euphs -> Contras -> Euphs You can see the Contras switch back to euphs for a second near the end of this clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boo Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I thought it would be super cool if a a corps would start a show on Bb horns and then switch to G bugles and then blow the house down. Anyone ever do something like that? I interviewed Brass Theatre members backstage in 1994, when they switched between the G bugles and the B-flats during their production with Canadian Brass. (They used the G bugles for the marching segments that were from prior Star of Indiana shows, but the B-flats for everything else.) To a member, I was told that moving from the G bugles to B-flat horns was a snap, but moving from the B-flats back to the G bugles was quite a challenge to the embouchures due to resistance against the lips. I heard this at the very first Brass Theatre performance in Normal, Illinois and also at a show later in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphaba01 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 "Change Horns In the Shows Middle": Actually, not only did they change HORNS, but a great deal of their instrumentation. "Way Back" in 1964 the Loris High School "Marching Lions" were invited to the 1964 Drum Corps News "Evening With the Corps at Carnagie Hall". They performed the first half of their show on "Band" isntruments, then picked up "G" valve/slide bugles and completed their performance. This rather remarkable performance can be heard on the Fleetwood CD series, The "1964 Evening with the Corps at Carnagie Hall". Elphaba WWW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liahona Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I thought it would be super cool if a a corps would start a show on Bb horns and then switch to G bugles and then blow the house down. Anyone ever do something like that? I'd like to see a corps do a whole show on G's again. I'm not sure though if there is a corps out there who would be willing to take the risk. Who was the last corps to stop using G bugles on the field anyway? Madison? Troopers? Pioneer? or other? I don't remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 "Change Horns In the Shows Middle": Actually, not only did they change HORNS, but a great deal of their instrumentation. "Way Back" in 1964 the Loris High School "Marching Lions" were invited to the 1964 Drum Corps News "Evening With the Corps at Carnagie Hall". They performed the first half of their show on "Band" isntruments, then picked up "G" valve/slide bugles and completed their performance. This rather remarkable performance can be heard on the Fleetwood CD series, The "1964 Evening with the Corps at Carnagie Hall". Elphaba WWW Now here I am wondering what CDs to buy at DCA this year from the Fleetwood table (part of my late B-day present).... Issue might be solved with this one.... and possible Geneva Appleknockers doing concerts with a string bass IIRC (pre-contra?). Thanks to breezemont for the info and if someone has the time and yearning to check maybe Kanstuls website specs between current G and Bb horns might help. Still ###### if I can really hear a difference from the stands. And as for difference sound from BITD and today I've played piston/slide (few months), P/R, 2v and now 3v all in G. Big difference in sound from my current horn and anything pre-2v but IMO that's due to construction. Also have some 1v Baris for comparision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgerbob Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 (edited) I'd like to see a corps do a whole show on G's again. I'm not sure though if there is a corps out there who would be willing to take the risk. Who was the last corps to stop using G bugles on the field anyway? Madison? Troopers? Pioneer? or other? I don't remember. Pioneer in 2007, I'm pretty sure. Troopers stopped in 2005. Edited August 19, 2012 by burgerbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 (edited) I thought it would be super cool if a a corps would start a show on Bb horns and then switch to G bugles and then blow the house down. Anyone ever do something like that? I think it would have the same effect on the crowd as if the drummers were using Vic Firth Corpsmasters, then in a sudden unexpected and dramatic move, switched to ... Pro Mark 2Bs! Or in other words, +++ I guess instead of going to all the expense of buying 80 bugles, the corps could simply play their trumpets and other Bb horns out of tune... Kidding, I'm kidding. Edited August 20, 2012 by wvu80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Freedman Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Is it teaching? or is it the horns? That is a legit question I think... From what others are saying, it sounds like it has more to do with the way people are adapting to the technology, as in so many other areas. In other words, both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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