JimF-LowBari Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) and yahoos that area has. Remember this area had issues with race riots in the early 90's. 20+ years after the rest of America And still dealing with the migrant population that works the fruit fields. Not that we ever hear anything about it...... Wow, finally google mapped N.O. and see what it is in relation to PA/US Rt numbers.... Interesting in relation to the Spanish language business signs a few miles away. I can see where some people there would turn inwards... Edited September 26, 2012 by JimF-LowBari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Show designers are always" held accountable" for what they put on the field. If the judges and/ or audiences believe that its a " brilliant " or " crappy " design, they are " held accountable ". They are held " accountable " likewise when they produce a show with political overtones too, be it a political statement on the rise up of slaves, ie " Spartacus ", or a peace symbol formation on the field, or some other political statement. Anytime a show designer puts a show on the field with political, cultural, social, environmental, etc " statements, it is of course subject to acceptance, rejection, or indifference to that statement that is made on the part of the viewing audience. Show Designers are free to put whatever it is they choose out on the field for a show design, and be " held accountable " fully for that show design, good, bad, or indifferent. really? designers are accountable? go back and read this forum since, oh, say 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 And still dealing with the migrant population that works the fruit fields. Not that we ever hear anything about it...... well then someone better call Fox news!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) really? designers are accountable? go back and read this forum since, oh, say 2002. Sure. They are held accountable. A few Show Designers get fired after every season for subpar show designs from what was expected of them by Corps Directors and their Board. Others get rave reviews, promotions, raises in income, etc. This is no revelation to anyone, I would imagine. As far as audiences are concerned, here as well, Show Designers get all sorts of feedback on what people think of their show design, and they are most certainly " held accountable " by audiences for its show concepts and overall show design. Edited September 26, 2012 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Sure. They are held accountable. A few Show Designers get fired every for subpar show designs from what was expected of them. Others get rave reviews, promotions, raises in income, etc. This is no revelation to anyone, I would imagine. The affected band in this discussion won their last show. I blame the designer for that win.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 "It's art," Jen Moul wrote. "Don't like it? Go to the concession stand at halftime." It seems marching band fans still have a lot to learn from drum corps fans. It should be called INT, for gosh sakes! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) The affected band in this discussion won their last show. I blame the designer for that win.... Show Designers are " held accountable " by both judges, audiences, and the Corps Management. They all don't react the same way, naturally. We constantly have examples of judges scoring a Corps, band, guard well ( or poorly ) in competition, but the audience reacted much differently, for any number of reasons, to the show design that was created. The notion that show designers are not, nor should not be "held accountable" for what they put out on the field is absurd. Do we NOT give credit to a Show Designer that has brilliantly crafted a Visual and Musical Theme and Show ? Then if we do, why then, would a Show Designer not be " held accountable " for a Show Design that.. for WHATEVER reason... did not meet with favor ? Edited September 26, 2012 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygwm Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 High school marching band raises controversy with hammers and sickles I remember SCV ending their "Miss Saigon" show with a giant unveiling of a hammer and sickle that offended some outspoken people. But would the controversy currently being stirred up by some parents and media also be a factor with drum corps? Not so much. Sure, people might find some drum corps shows politically incorrect but those are private organizations. Your choice, as a fan, is not to send a donation to that corps or buy their souvies. As a potential marching member, if you're that offended, perhaps you go elsewhere. Chances are, unless you're doing something REALLY over the top, it won't make a significant difference. With a public school, at least in Pennsylvania, there's an elected school board so the pressure is political in nature. Board members phones start to ring, then they call the Superintendent, who calls the principal who calls the band director. The crap slides downward. If you're a band director out there, like it or not, you have to play to the political sensibilities bevause the public is funding your program. Things might be different elsewhere, but remember, this is the same general area where a school district got their name on a Supreme Court decision for wanting to teach Intelligent Design. They're pretty conservative out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 An early comment here pointed out that HS is a publicly-funded enterprise, which exposes it to taxpayer's wrath (even if it's just one). Very true... But, but, but... Drum corps is also publicly-funded as a tax-exempt organization under the rules of a government entity (the IRS). So, logic would suggest that someone could complain about a particular drum corps show design or representation and stop it from taking the field. "In addition to being anti-war, Dada was also anti-bourgeois and had political affinities with the radical left." (Wiki) Dadaism may not raise eyebrows in the current administration, but it certainly might offend the senses of at least one fan in the stands. It's just a matter of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) Note to show designers for the 2013 season.... Be aware that in addition to judges, the audience, the people marching your program and assorted other influences, "one" person may complain about your show to a Fox News affiliate. As a result of such potential influences, please refrain from doing anything that might be deemed controversial by anyone. Show Designers, of course, have the inherent right to disregard such overtures on the part of the public.. and either suffer the consequences for that disregard, or be lauded for their intractable stand. And the public, be that one person or 50,000 people, have a right to express their displeasure ( or pleasure ) on what they see before them in the Performing Arts too. Its called " Freedom of Expression ". Its sometimes taken for granted in our Country, but as recent events around the world have reminded us, there are parts of the world where " Freedom of Expression " can lead to riots, firebombings, and calls for the Show designers torture and death on what others tend to find offensive with the Show Designers production in some way. Edited September 26, 2012 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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