Popular Post dannyboy Posted July 2, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2013 In 2007 I shot a jerky, hand-held, 1-minute video clip, zoomed-in, of my stepson marching in Madison Scouts at the Lisle, IL show. That clip has been on YOUTUBE since 2007. About 60 views after all these years. Today, YOUTUBE sent me a NAUGHTYGRAM informing me that my video was removed at the request of DCI for copyright violation, and basically putting me on notice. Wow. Really? DCI: I hate what you have become. 47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post actucker Posted July 2, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2013 In 2007 I shot a jerky, hand-held, 1-minute video clip, zoomed-in, of my stepson marching in Madison Scouts at the Lisle, IL show. That clip has been on YOUTUBE since 2007. About 60 views after all these years. Today, YOUTUBE sent me a NAUGHTYGRAM informing me that my video was removed at the request of DCI for copyright violation, and basically putting me on notice. Wow. Really? DCI: I hate what you have become. You hate them for ensuring they and you don't get sued by the people who own the copyrights to the work? Sounds about right. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blueorginal Posted July 2, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2013 Sooner or later DCI is going to have to reconcile the reality of the social media explosion, in the early days of social media the concert promoters, performers etc tried to control it, but now they have embraced it as they found out they got more exposure which resulted in more revenues to the point they are using social media to launch new songs, events etc.....in a effort to use it to their advantage. I understand their rational but in reality does a 1984 video of a former member corps who is folded, really a hurting dci if its posted and 24 people watch it? Have they done studies to see if having homemade videos on youtube hurt sales of performances (DVD/MPGS) or does it boost them up more? Are people who watch youtube really a dvd buying customer or are they just looking and will never buy anything, but they might go to a drum corps show if they like what they see.... also it gives our activity a historical window that DCI can't, and doesn't cost dci anything. People like seeing corps from the 50s, 60s, and 70s, 80s of corps no longer and were not a dci member or in their top 25..... 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post whitedawn Posted July 2, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2013 You hate them for ensuring they and you don't get sued by the people who own the copyrights to the work? Sounds about right. Exactly this. Anyone who is disagreeing with you has no idea what they are talking about. We all love watching "bootlegs" on YouTube. We just need to realize that those clips fall into a legal grey area, and DCI is always going to (rightly) err on the side of caution. Exactly what I would tell DCI to do if they were my client. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 I suppose it runs deeper and longer than the video issue. Every brush with DCI in recent years opens old scabs. A sad point is our kids cannot share their activity experience on YOUTUBE like, say, a gymnast, football player... "Hey, look at me in 2007 marc... hey... it's gone?" It's silly and stupid. A video of the whole show? No. I get it (I have been the DCI-Videographer pass-holding guy at shows in the past for Capital Regiment -- I know those rules). But a 1-minute clip zoomed on one kid so grandma and grandpa can see and cherish? They also removed my clip of Madison in 2007 playing "Walk Alone" in concert. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 Wow. A contact (used to work at DCI when they were in Lombard) just emailed me saying to set my YOUTUBE settings to "UNLISTED" -- also not to tag them -- and they should go unnoticed. Will do. :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) It's silly and stupid. A video of the whole show? No. I get it (I have been the DCI-Videographer pass-holding guy at shows in the past for Capital Regiment -- I know those rules). But a 1-minute clip zoomed on one kid so grandma and grandpa can see and cherish? They also removed my clip of Madison in 2007 playing "Walk Alone" in concert. Do you know exactly what is in the contracts the corps have to get to be allowed to play/record copyrighted works? If the copyright owner gets <ryhmes with hissy> they can raise Hades and if YouTube ain't in the contract guess who in in the right. I'm wondering if DCI noticed and served notice or the copyright owner noticed and raised Hell with DCI. Edited July 2, 2013 by JimF-LowBari 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NakedEye Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 What's weird is there are tons of "Best of DCI 2011," etc. compilations on there, with little snippets of a bunch of shows, so I wonder why you got in the crosshairs, unless they are now going after all those too. In the past, it seemed the little snippets of shows weren't a big deal, though the argument against whole shows was understandable. Unfortunately I think the net result will make an already niche activity even more niche. The tickets to attend the events are quite expensive and someone who is simply curious about what all this stuff is about is not going to pay for a Fan Network subscription. The more avenues you cut off where people might stumble across something that grabs their interest, the less people you end up attracting to your product. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post actucker Posted July 2, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2013 I suppose it runs deeper and longer than the video issue. Every brush with DCI in recent years opens old scabs. A sad point is our kids cannot share their activity experience on YOUTUBE like, say, a gymnast, football player... "Hey, look at me in 2007 marc... hey... it's gone?" It's silly and stupid. A video of the whole show? No. I get it (I have been the DCI-Videographer pass-holding guy at shows in the past for Capital Regiment -- I know those rules). But a 1-minute clip zoomed on one kid so grandma and grandpa can see and cherish? They also removed my clip of Madison in 2007 playing "Walk Alone" in concert. Its not about a clip that grandma can enjoy, its about the fact that it was posted for the general public. Frankly, recording the clip at all is against DCI policies, so whether you want a video for grandma or not, you violated the rules that are meant to protect not DCI's income, but their contractual obligations to those who own the work being performed. Its no different from going to the opera to watch your step son perform and wanting to take a video of the performance. You can dislike the modern media era all you want, but blaming DCI for protecting the interests of everyone involved is pretty asinine. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 Do you know exactly what is in the contracts the corps have to get to be allowed to play/record copyrighted works? I'm very familiar. I've had the experience of helping nag corps to turn that stuff in back with DCM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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