JimF-LowBari Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 8 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: they were evil. real bugles had no valves. oh then they added a valve. then the rotor stuff. then 2 valaces. then 3!! oh god...adding contras! the earth was coming to an end!!! Those #### AL Post #76 Boys of 76 in Racine. Wanting to add a valve and be able to move it during competition. And that lousy excuse of “wanting to be more musical”. Look where it got us over 90 years later. 😈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: they were evil. real bugles had no valves. oh then they added a valve. then the rotor stuff. then 2 valaces. then 3!! oh god...adding contras! the earth was coming to an end!!! It's been a while so the passage of time may be affecting my memory, but didn't putting additional valves on bugles give them more flexibility when it came to arrangements? I thought earlier versions of bugles tied the hands of arrangers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironlips Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 13 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: they were evil. real bugles had no valves. oh then they added a valve. then the rotor stuff. then 2 valaces. then 3!! oh god...adding contras! the earth was coming to an end!!! As astute a description of the current state of affairs as there ever was. I can only agree, as noted here: https://www.drumcorpsplanet.com/2012/06/inside-the-arc-its-just-not-drum-corps-anymore/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 1 hour ago, ironlips said: As astute a description of the current state of affairs as there ever was. I can only agree, as noted here: https://www.drumcorpsplanet.com/2012/06/inside-the-arc-its-just-not-drum-corps-anymore/ Oh great now I’ve got “The Muffin Man” stuck in my head 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Continental said: It's been a while so the passage of time may be affecting my memory, but didn't putting additional valves on bugles give them more flexibility when it came to arrangements? I thought earlier versions of bugles tied the hands of arrangers. It certainly permiited more chromatic notes to be available. All of them once the third valve was added. The rotor in the valve/rotor horn was equal to the second valve, so once that was added most notes were available. Prior to the rotor a slipslide was used for the 2nd valve notes. i played an Olds Ultratone valve/rotor bari in 1972 Garfield, my one year on horn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MikeD said: It certainly permiited more chromatic notes to be available. All of them once the third valve was added. The rotor in the valve/rotor horn was equal to the second valve, so once that was added most notes were available. Prior to the rotor a slipslide was used for the 2nd valve notes. i played an Olds Ultratone valve/rotor bari in 1972 Garfield, my one year on horn. I had Olds Duratone (frosted/matte finish) p/r my 6 years. Can still remember two songs we had where there was “this” note for 2nd Bari that we just looked at each other and said “is that right?”. No idea if it should have been a note for 3rd valve or the note just sounded off for other reasons. If I listen to the recordings 40+ years later I can hear it and cringe. Alumni corps horn instructor played p/r and after we all got 3v Gs, when he arranged he loved using the 3rd valve.... 😳 Edited April 18, 2021 by JimF-LowBari 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 13 hours ago, Continental said: It's been a while so the passage of time may be affecting my memory, but didn't putting additional valves on bugles give them more flexibility when it came to arrangements? I thought earlier versions of bugles tied the hands of arrangers. i was being sarcastic. i'm a drummer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHall Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Here's something else to consider. Brass manufacturers won't make a lot of money making G horns due to the small amount of corps today. They can make more money by making Bb...more high school and college bands by far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keystone3ply Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Suppose to be a true story of a high school student trying a new concert tuba in my state: Student: Hey Mr. "Smith"! What's this 4th valve for? Band Director: Son, don't worry about that extra valve; they're for the college kids... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) Day Hanover replaced my 2v with a 3v I got to show my smart aleck side. Asked the horn instructor (also played piston/rotor BITD): “So if first valve is right thumb and second valve is left thumb... what thumb is 3rd valve?” oooh did I get a look 😨 History lesson... the first valve was horizontal because when the horn was held the audience couldn’t see it behind the hand. Source: 1930s Ludwig DC manual Edited April 19, 2021 by JimF-LowBari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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