Popular Post LaSqueegee Posted August 20, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2013 Look without the towers it is obvious that they easily score 100....maybe even higher. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrnguy500 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 The towers were sloppy on finals night. It didn't seem to change their final placement. I actually thought SCV might over take them with those sloppy errors. There were some effective moments with the towers (color changes in particular) but overall I think they could have gotten away with not using them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Look without the towers it is obvious that they easily score 100....maybe even higher. That line is saved for George Dixon. 1-point penalty for stealing his line. /> Edited August 20, 2013 by garfield 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) That line is saved for George Dixon. 1-point penalty for stealing his line. /> Oh you're so funny. Personally without the towers the whole program would have been written differently so it's hard to say for sure... Ordinarily a sparkling clean drill (and feet) and top percussion and nearly top brass would contend. I guess we could have assumed a 3-way race vs. them lagging back about a point at most events. Bottom line is we'll never know. Will we? Edited August 20, 2013 by George Dixon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyt Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 The idea of the towers was essential to the show concept. Not having them would've hurt more, IMO. That said, I think the final product was clumsy and poorly thought out. They were obviously difficult to move, even on indoor turf. You always had a hint of a color or two that wasn't being featured, even if you were sitting on the 50. And their use was ambiguous. Sometimes they hid members. Sometimes they split the corps. Sometimes the were actually a part of the form. And at the end we'll climb on them! Good idea on paper. Sub-par execution. And .15 away from not medalling because of it. Don't want to say the Cadets were handed a gift because the marching and music were top-notch. But effect wise, SCV certainly had them. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) The thing is... This show was created around the visual design FIRST. And I guess it's disappointing when your visual design is the thing that held you back.... :doh:/> Edited August 20, 2013 by charlie1223 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perc2100 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 The towers were sloppy on finals night. It didn't seem to change their final placement. I actually thought SCV might over take them with those sloppy errors. There were some effective moments with the towers (color changes in particular) but overall I think they could have gotten away with not using them. That's true: the towers did add some effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perc2100 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Ordinarily a sparkling clean drill (and feet) and top percussion and nearly top brass would contend. I guess we could have assumed a 3-way race vs. them lagging back about a point at most events. How is 4th place Vis Performance (field where judges are taking a REALLY good look at feet) "sparkling clean?!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perc2100 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) The idea of the towers was essential to the show concept. Not having them would've hurt more, IMO. That said, I think the final product was clumsy and poorly thought out. They were obviously difficult to move, even on indoor turf. You always had a hint of a color or two that wasn't being featured, even if you were sitting on the 50. And their use was ambiguous. Sometimes they hid members. Sometimes they split the corps. Sometimes the were actually a part of the form. And at the end we'll climb on them! Good idea on paper. Sub-par execution. And .15 away from not medalling because of it. Don't want to say the Cadets were handed a gift because the marching and music were top-notch. But effect wise, SCV certainly had them. I totally agree that this was one of those things that seems to have been awesome on paper but not-so-much in practice. I wonder if Cadets could've ditched the towers earlish in the season (at the DCI Regionals, starting with Minnesota, they always seemed like a sort of distant 3rd - they got close occasionally but score-wise, visually especially, they seemed to 'struggle' all season), redesigned drill, and had a better chance? Probably not I guess: best to try to polish a turd and hope for the best rather than gamble with massive rewrites. Also, how much to moving the props hurt their guard scores? I honestly didn't see a ton of shows this year, so I don't know if the low guard scores were because of performer issues or because they were constantly moving the tower things around. Uber props to the members though: they took what they had and went for it, doing well in brass & percussion! :thumbup:/> Edited August 20, 2013 by perc2100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDStaffAlum Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 The thing is... This show was created around the visual design FIRST. And I guess it's disappointing when your visual design is the thing that held you back.... /> I think that happens a lot with prop use in general. Corps is supposed to be about the sound first, visual after that (I won't say second, because there are other important aspects, but sound first!). I feel as though props should only be used minimally, and shouldn't be designed before the rest of the thought process is solid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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