N.E. Brigand Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) the ignorance which today slanders a great and wonderful protagonist in a great and wonderful book by Harriet Beecher Stowe The artistic value of Uncle Tom's Cabin is still the subject of debate of which the matter of political correctness is only part. (I believe James Baldwin's major complaint was that the story was too sentimental, for instance.) The use of the phrase "Uncle Tom" as a pejorative (meaning someone "excessively subservient to perceived authority figures" and of course usually in a Black/White context--though I remember that in the 1994 movie Quiz Show, Rob Morrow's character is described by his wife as the "Uncle Tom of the Jews" for repeatedly excusing the misdeeds of the WASP character played by Ralph Fiennes against the claims of the Jewish character played by John Turturro) dates to at least the 1920s, and may have been used much earlier. Edited October 24, 2013 by N.E. Brigand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Just think what was called PC during the Civil Rights Movement I take your point, but the term "politically correct" was almost unheard of before 1990. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The artistic value of Uncle Tom's Cabin is still the subject of debate of which the matter of political correctness is only part. (I believe James Baldwin's major complaint was that the story was too sentimental, for instance.) The use of the phrase "Uncle Tom" as a pejorative (meaning someone "excessively subservient to perceived authority figures" and of course usually in a Black/White context--though I remember that in the 1994 movie Quiz Show, Rob Morrow's character is described by his wife as the "Uncle Tom of the Jews" for repeatedly excusing the misdeeds of the WASP character played by Ralph Fiennes against the claims of the Jewish character played by John Turturro) dates to at least the 1920s, and may have been used much earlier. The artistic sentimental aspect of the novel is not the issue; the ‘ignorance’ by those who have either not read the book or are completely obtuse in their hijacking the name of the protagonist, who was actually an honorable character, is the issue. I was using that as an example in agreeing with Cowtown that ‘ignorance’ certainly does go a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Just think what was called PC during the Civil Rights Movement Oh sure; what happened within the Civil Rights Movement is exactly the same as someone today complaining about Santa Clause being offensive because Santa means Saint which is Religious and they find that offensive. The Civil Rights Movement was attempting to correct some long held actual and real ‘behavioral atrocities’ being committed, the Santa example today is nothing more than PC garbage made-up by a few nut cases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Pretty funny people would be offended by Crusaders. What do you suppose the letters BAC stood or stand for. Yes, it is sort of silly. By the way, for the record, the Boston Crusaders did indeed have to change their name as it " offended someone ". It " offended " a judge. No, not a DCI judge... but a Commonwealth of Massachusetts Bankruptcy Court Judge. It was during the a period of this Corps " The Dark Ages " in the 80's when this once National Championships winning Corps from the 50's, 60's found themselves mismanaged and wound up in Bankruptcy Court. The judge as part of the settlement agreement took away their name " Boston Crusaders ". They could have called it quits, but its not in this Corps DNA to quit and so instead they followed the judge's orders and dropped the " Crusaders " and went out and competed as simply " The Boston Drum and Bugle Corps ". Those were lean times for the Corps. But as their " Crusade " they fought long and hard... as one of their goals... to later be in a position to legally regain their proud name. And with time, and hard work, they succeeded in getting their name back. Today, they are the " Boston Crusaders ". They've fought too hard and for too long now to give up their name, " Boston Crusaders ". Here's to another 75 years for the name, and its proud Corps... of " The Boston Crusaders ". Edited October 25, 2013 by BRASSO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emc2 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yes, it is sort of silly. By the way, for the record, the Boston Crusaders did indeed have to change their name as it " offended someone ". It " offended " a judge. No, not a DCI judge... but a Commonwealth of Massachusetts Bankruptcy Court Judge. It was during the a period of this Corps " The Dark Ages " in the 80's when this once National Championships winning Corps from the 50's, 60's found themselves mismanaged and wound up in Bankruptcy Court. The judge as part of the settlement agreement took away their name " Boston Crusaders ". They could have called it quits, but its not in this Corps DNA to quit and so instead they followed the judge's orders and dropped the " Crusaders " and went out and competed as simply " The Boston Drum and Bugle Corps ". Those were lean times for the Corps. But as their " Crusade " they fought long and hard... as one of their goals... to later be in a position to legally regain their proud name. And with time, and hard work, they succeeded in getting their name back. Today, they are the " Boston Crusaders ". They've fought too hard and for too long now to give up their name, " Boston Crusaders ". Here's to another 75 years for the name, and its proud Corps... of " The Boston Crusaders ". There is a world class collage in Worcester name HolyCross and the name of their teams etc (Crusaders). Right on man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) There is a world class collage in Worcester name HolyCross and the name of their teams etc (Crusaders). Right on man. The Imperial Valley ( Calif. ) College sports teams are called " The Arabs " as well. There are no complaints as near as we can tell, as few of the enrolled students there are of " Arab - American " descent... nor should there be complaints re. the use of " Arabs " as their nickname, or school mascot depiction, imo. Notre Dame are called " The FIghting Irish ", not neccesarily a positive depiction of Irish Americans, but I'm ok with it. Edited October 25, 2013 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhumbline Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Univ.of Cal Santa Barbara wanted the name of its teams changed to the Big Yellow or something fro m an Indian name The students did not buy it . They ended up with the BANANA SLUGS You see their t-shirts all over the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perc2100 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Univ.of Cal Santa Barbara wanted the name of its teams changed to the Big Yellow or something fro m an Indian name The students did not buy it . They ended up with the BANANA SLUGS You see their t-shirts all over the country. And in PULP FICTION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bsader Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 ...and Massachusetts General hospital is thinking of changing their Crusade against Cancer to...? Their are many different types of Crusades lets not over-focus on the negatives. Having said that I am disappointed that our nations capital continues to accept one of it's major sports teams to be named the Washington Redskins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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