Popular Post Jeff Ream Posted February 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) I know I ranted in one of the other threads, but the drama and hysteria over the proposal to make any type of brass instrument legal is really getting to be pathetic. The reactions on here are at best comical, and for some, well scary. Yes, we all love drum corps, be it today's drum corps, the years I marched 89-96, or any set of years before or after. Making any type of brass instrument legal is to me, far less destructive to the activity than synths, and I actually think, unlike amps balance, judges will actually address any issues that occur ( unless it's a mic'd solo, then see amps complaints). I'm sure the usual reasons that it will make it easier for more kids to join, add butts in the stands etc are being trotted out there by someone somewhere. I know many people feel we're just that one step closer to woodwinds. But the solution is really this simple if you hate this rule so much: Stop going to shows. stop buying tickets stop buying merchandise. stop donating Just stop. Walk away. I tried to walk away after amps, and actually attended a whopping 3 shows in 4 years. eventually no matter how much the synth stuff has bothered me, I'm still coming. Do I think some of how sousas or french horns or trombones could suck or be cheesy as hell? Well yes. We've had that end result many times long before it was voted in. Ya see folks, you can ##### about show design. You can ##### about rules changes. You can ##### about the G7 stuff. But you're still paying, so in the end, who wins? DCI, who just reported one of their most profitable years ever. Now, do I think some show design trends suck? Sure. Do I think synths haven't added anything beyond not needing food for the seat under my ### to vibrate? Yes. Do I think that the BOD has dropped so many balls over the years they've hurt themselves and the activity? Yes. But I still go. And as such, that's giving my tacit and financial support to DCI and it's corps, designers, judges etc to keep doing what they're doing. When the day comes woodwinds do actually become legal, or show design just totally loses me, I'll go. I've already cut what I spend on DCI down by over $1000 a year since 2002 as it is. Some of it now is just real life getting in the way, some of it is, well, certain things on the field just irritate the hell out of me. I'm ok with that, and apparently DCI is too, because not enough other people have done the same to a degree it hurts them. So if you hate this new rules changes, or the one adding synths, or amps, or Bb horns, or whatever....just go. if enough do and DCI feels a pinch, maybe they'll try to figure out what happened and try to fix it. Maybe they won't. But then I sure as hell won't be so disappointed logging on here and seeing so much negativity and drama. I've said this before, and I'll say it again, I've never seen an activity where the participants in all of their forms #### on each other like I see in the marching arts. And we wonder why people discourage kids from doing drum corps. I'm not saying we have to be sunshine and roses, but Jesus H and the rest of the holy family, we;ve had brass from the beginning and all they did was add more types of brass. That's far less destructive to the sound of drum corps than the thunderous goo and static coming from speakers. Flame away, I don't care. Odds are I'll make fun of you Edited February 13, 2014 by Jeff Ream 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 ... Flame away, I don't care. Odds are I'll make fun of you If you make fun of me, I'll tell your daughter! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) OK, O'll give it a shot, won't be the first or last time I get made fun of! Hope this is taken with the tongue in cheek intention it was written! I know I get heated on here once in a while, but this preaching type posting stuff is getting to be really pathetic. The constant telling people what they should do and how they should feel on here is at best comical, and for some, well, scary! Yes, we all want others to see our point of view, and we all feel that we know better than someone else what is intelligent and what is not. To me it is far less destructive to share your feelings on a drum corps forum than it is to tell somebody else how they should feel or what they should or shouldn't say, or how they should say it. But the solution is really simple if you hate these posts so much: Stop reading the forums Stop posting in the threads Stop participating Just stop, just walk away. I tried to not come here for a while, and actually come on here a lot less than I used to. Eventually, no matter how much the posts of a select few bothered me, I came back. Ya see folks, you can #### about what others say, you can #### about how they say it, you can #### that someone doesn't agree with your point of view, but you're still posting, so in the end, who wins? The DCP forums...the ones that just got another large viewing for a thread about this latest controversy filled with drama and hysteria. Now do I think some posts are out of line? Yes. Do I think the forum could be so much better than it is now? Yes. Do I think the mods and designers in some cases have hurt themselves and the site? Yes But I still post here, and as such, that's giving my tacit support to DCP, it's members, and it's mods to keep doing what they're doing. When the day comes that there is only 5 people posting here, or the conversation is just so totally lame, I'll go. I have already cut down quite a bit, I'm ok with that, and apparently DCP is too, because not enough other people have done the same to a degree that it hurts them. So if you hate the drama and negativity that is on here, just go. If enough people do that, then DCP will try to figure out what happened and try to fix it. Maybe they won't, but at least I won't have to log on here and be preached to about what I should do and how I should feel. I've said this before and I'll say it again. I've never seen a discussion board with so few people trying to control what is said and what is represented. And we wonder why those in the activity discourage people from posting their thoughts here. I'm not saying it has to be a love fest, but we've had passionate debates in this activity from the beginning, and that's far less destructive than just preaching and not caring about what anyone who is passionate about drum corps might think or say. Flame away, I won't like it, but I will welcome the discussion. Edited February 13, 2014 by truman 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 If you make fun of me, I'll tell your daughter! She knows already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 OK, O'll give it a shot, won't be the first or last time I get made fun of! Hope this is taken with the tongue and cheek intention it was written! I know I get heated on here once in a while, but this preaching type posting stuff is getting to be really pathetic. The constant telling people what they should do and how they should feel on here is at best comical, and for some, well, scary! Yes, we all want others to see our point of view, and we all feel that we know better than someone else what is intelligent and what is not. To me it is far less destructive to share your feelings on a drum corps forum than it is to tell somebody else how they should feel or what they should or shouldn't say, or how they should say it. But the solution is really simple if you hate these posts so much: Stop reading the forums Stop posting in the threads Stop participating Just stop, just walk away. I tried to not come here for a while, and actually come on here a lot less than I used to. Eventually, no matter how much the posts of a select few bothered me, I came back. Ya see folks, you can #### about what others say, you can #### about how they say it, you can #### that someone doesn't agree with your point of view, but you're still posting, so in the end, who wins? The DCP forums...the ones that just got another large viewing for a thread about this latest controversy filled with drama and hysteria. Now do I think some posts are out of line? Yes. Do I think the forum could be so much better than it is now? Yes. Do I think the mods and designers in some cases have hurt themselves and the site? Yes But I still post here, and as such, that's giving my tacit support to DCP, it's members, and it's mods to keep doing what they're doing. When the day comes that there is only 5 people posting here, or the conversation is just so totally lame, I'll go. I have already cut down quite a bit, I'm ok with that, and apparently DCP is too, because not enough other people have done the same to a degree that it hurts them. So if you hate the drama and negativity that is on here, just go. If enough people do that, then DCP will try to figure out what happened and try to fix it. Maybe they won't, but at least I won't have to log on here and be preached to about what I should do and how I should feel. I've said this before and I'll say it again. I've never seen a discussion board with so few people trying to control what is said and what is represented. And we wonder why those in the activity discourage people from posting their thoughts here. I'm not saying it has to be a love fest, but we've had passionate debates in this activity from the beginning, and that's far less destructive than just preaching and not caring about what anyone who is passionate about drum corps might think or say. Flame away, I won't like it, but I will welcome the discussion. Well played 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWonka Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 To Jeff's OP - Agreed. It is not the end of the world. As I posted in the poll forum, I seriously doubt you see any changes at all in the hornlines. Just some special stuff, Bone solos, maybe a whole Mellow section picking up Horns for a special section then changing back, etc. And lord knows I'd rather hear 10-15 kids pickup a Horn and bang out a cool section vs blaring the thing through the Synth. That change was much, much more radical than allowing someone to play on a different brass horn. And I'd bet you see 0 changes in hornline makeup overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideways Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I want to see carnage on the field with trombone pass throughs at 220 bpm....Survivor DCI!!! Trombone suicides combined with SCV's cymbal line....I just can't wait for it!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZER Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 And I'd bet you see 0 changes in hornline makeup overall. Wager accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) What's the point of DCP if no dissenting views are welcomed? Isn't the basic purpose of a forum the free exchange of ideas and opinions? My question for the OP is, if it bothers you to the point that you find the need to post about it several times, why do you keep coming here? Let people post what they want to post. I'm pretty sure they're aware it doesn't do anything unless they stop spending money. We don't need the thought police. Edited February 13, 2014 by HockeyDad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_MrStarsFan Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) But the solution is really this simple if you hate this rule so much: Stop going to shows. Done stop buying tickets Done stop buying merchandise. Done stop donating Done I already started the above a few years ago. Also, the fact that I was unaware of the new rule changes illustrates how much (or little) I follow the activity anymore. I might check various DCI websites (even DCP) every few weeks to give a cursory glance. According to the DCI website announcement on the annual meeting, 2013 was the most profitable year in its history. My absence hasn't hurt DCI. edited to add color. Edited February 13, 2014 by aka_MrStarsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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