bernie_VKpit Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Seems like a reasonable question for everyone: Do you think Santa Clara Vanguard would have won in 1989 had they not performed nearly the same exact show in 1988? I've thought about this one for a long time now, and my personal feeling is that they wouldn't have won in 1989 if it wasn't for them performing nearly the same show in 1988. Granted, I know they could have won in 1988, but I also wonder how many vets they had from '88 into the '89 season? Also, do you guys know why SCV decided to do Phantom of the Opera again in 1989? For the record, I thought Vanguard should have won in 1988, and Phantom Regiment in 1989. New World Symphony is one of my all-time favorite shows by Phantom. Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Seems like a reasonable question for everyone: Do you think Santa Clara Vanguard would have won in 1989 had they not performed nearly the same exact show in 1988? I've thought about this one for a long time now, and my personal feeling is that they wouldn't have won in 1989 if it wasn't for them performing nearly the same show in 1988. Granted, I know they could have won in 1988, but I also wonder how many vets they had from '88 into the '89 season? Also, do you guys know why SCV decided to do Phantom of the Opera again in 1989? For the record, I thought Vanguard should have won in 1988, and Phantom Regiment in 1989. New World Symphony is one of my all-time favorite shows by Phantom. Discuss. It's funny seeing "nearly" and "exact" in the same sentence. I believe that '88 was the more emotional and better show with better solos and a more artistic guard that could play on the male/female roles. The '89 show had a couple of glaring holes and fracked/terrible solos (compared to the previous year), but I guess it was cleaner and had the mask and all-female guard. There were some very large differences between the shows, and yes there were some similarities as well. To answer your question... I think it would depend on the show. Would they have executed a different show as well? Would they have spun and marched a different show as well? I'm not sure what you're getting at... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernie_VKpit Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 Let me clarify: Did SCV doing Phantom of the Opera in 1988 help them to win the championship in 1989 with nearly the same show? If they hadn't done Phantom of the Opera in 1988, would they have still won in 1989? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 IMO, and this is only my opinion, they would have won in '88 had it not been Madison's anniversary. My second-hand information is that Gail Royer knew it was a great show and intentionally repeated it in a year when there were no extraneous circumstances affecting the outcome. I've always believed what Gail believed. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtown Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 IMO, and this is only my opinion, they would have won in '88 had it not been Madison's anniversary. and Regiment would have won in 89 had SCV not just come off 5 second place finishes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 yeah that judging was a bit interesting really felt SCV had it in 88 and 89 I personally thought Regiment had it SCV was the 2nd place corps for several years - so maybe that played into it to answer the OP - I really don't think the shows were that identical - different drill, arrangements, guard work etc. Close but not THAT close. JMO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 yeah that judging was a bit interesting really felt SCV had it in 88 and 89 I personally thought Regiment had it SCV was the 2nd place corps for several years - so maybe that played into it to answer the OP - I really don't think the shows were that identical - different drill, arrangements, guard work etc. Close but not THAT close. JMO My highschool played a slightly shorter version of SCV's 89 show (we didn't play "wishing you were somehow here again" and "track down this murder." Instead we added in our own drumbreak). So after marching that show for a whole season, the differences between 1988 and 1989 are quite big to me. I prefer 1989 for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liahona Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Seems like a reasonable question for everyone: Do you think Santa Clara Vanguard would have won in 1989 had they not performed nearly the same exact show in 1988? I've thought about this one for a long time now, and my personal feeling is that they wouldn't have won in 1989 if it wasn't for them performing nearly the same show in 1988. Granted, I know they could have won in 1988, but I also wonder how many vets they had from '88 into the '89 season? Also, do you guys know why SCV decided to do Phantom of the Opera again in 1989? For the record, I thought Vanguard should have won in 1988, and Phantom Regiment in 1989. New World Symphony is one of my all-time favorite shows by Phantom. Discuss. The magic trick got them more GE in 89 .... all kidding aside... I enjoyed 88 much more than I did in 89...I don't think a reboot like this could be done today though as in back-to-back years. I haven't gone to look at corpsreps, but I am wondering have any other corps done back to back years like this or was this a first and last? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterA Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 88 was an interesting year. At finals, I was torn between Madison Scouts and the most amazing version ever of Malaguena, and SCV and their fantastic arrangement of POTO. That is one year, I would almost have loved to have seen a tie for first place. 89 version of POTO was even better, in different ways, than the 88 version. I can understand why some people love 88 more than 89 version, but I still like the 89 version a little better. I am not sure playing music from the same show 2 years in a row helped SCV in any way. In fact, I sometimes think it hurts corps to play the same show/similar shows 2 years in a row. It takes an amazing performance to keep the audience and judges into a repeat show, but that is what Vanguard did in 89, and the whole show seemed magical. And, in my opinion, that was what had to happen to sell the show in 89. I don't think anything could have gotten in their way that year at finals, regardless of whether they had played selections from the same musical the year before. And for many years, and to some people still today, that was the show that set the standard for the activity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtown Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 The magic trick got them more GE in 89 .... all kidding aside... I enjoyed 88 much more than I did in 89...I don't think a reboot like this could be done today though as in back-to-back years. I haven't gone to look at corpsreps, but I am wondering have any other corps done back to back years like this or was this a first and last? Regiment 81/82, very different versions of Spartacus around then, it was very common for corps to carry songs or parts of shows over the next year, BD did it too - everyone did 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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