xandandl Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 isn't that the year he did away with the euphs and marched only baris. It's a lighter sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 isn't that the year he did away with the euphs and marched only baris. It's a lighter sound. Does he have that kind of influence or is it someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos001 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 isn't that the year he did away with the euphs and marched only baris. It's a lighter sound. '12 was a mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 For the past few years (at least since 2012) people have been discussing Phantom's arrangements and criticizing Phantom's arranger. If Phantom hopes to be in the upper echelons again, they will need voice and props. No matter what anyone says, I think this year will be the start of the change to this. That is, if the objective is to compete at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos001 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 For the past few years (at least since 2012) people have been discussing Phantom's arrangements and criticizing Phantom's arranger. If Phantom hopes to be in the upper echelons again, they will need voice and props. No matter what anyone says, I think this year will be the start of the change to this. That is, if the objective is to compete at the top. These are two different issues. Yes, the music needs to be better. Yes, the visual needs to be better. Outside of '12, the visual has kind of been middle of the road as well. In hindsight, JT's products on his second run weren't all that exciting. And if using props, do better than '13 for goodness sakes. I'll propose a third issue...overall design. Integration across disciplines hasn't been fluid or contained Box 6 elements. You really have to be Box 6 these days (to steal a term from WGI). I haven't looked at the newest set of sheets, but I know after the redesign a couple years ago, the top of Box 5 was worded close to what Box 6 is in WGI...something about "game changing" or "pushes the activity to new heights." They haven't done that. Maybe they don't want to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land_Surfer Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 For the past few years (at least since 2012) people have been discussing Phantom's arrangements and criticizing Phantom's arranger. If Phantom hopes to be in the upper echelons again, they will need voice and props. No matter what anyone says, I think this year will be the start of the change to this. That is, if the objective is to compete at the top. Extensive use of static props are an obstacle and a distraction. They limit the view of the spectators (and judges) who are trying to watch the physical marching techniques as they synchronized to music, and they delay and/or shift the focus of many spectators away from the evolution and geometry of the drill. As for the voice of a narrator, soloist leave that to Big 10 marching bands and NFL pre-game. No matter how good your amplification equipment is, it will never ever sound complimentary to the quality of tone and amplification produced by a brass instrument and its player. Drum Corps is soon going to be so watered down and polluted with everything that it's not that one day there will be no "drum corps." The value and attraction of drum corps has always been its ability to take something so simple (percussion and brass) and simulate with precision and clarity a full orchestra; choir; wind, jazz and rock ensembles complemented by a guard, that through their movements and technique make the emotion of the music seem tangible. Props and amplification means less reliance on the marching musicians. Plus, it is going to add a lot more cost to the shows that will negatively effect the profitability of these organizations and that's a worry they need to have remain stable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Freedman Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Is it possible that today the decisions of - Selection of music Selection of arranger The arrangement itself are based more on maximizing educational value, in contrast to the old days when the decisions was based on a primary mission of blowing away the audience. So big-simple-fast-loud gives way to intricate-evocative-subtle. A matter of degree, of course. There's still plenty of loud at least, and the variety today means there's something for everyone. But clearly some musical choices will lend themselves to "Big Phantom" style performances better than others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumbargleeful Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Extensive use of static props are an obstacle and a distraction. They limit the view of the spectators (and judges) who are trying to watch the physical marching techniques as they synchronized to music, and they delay and/or shift the focus of many spectators away from the evolution and geometry of the drill. As for the voice of a narrator, soloist leave that to Big 10 marching bands and NFL pre-game. No matter how good your amplification equipment is, it will never ever sound complimentary to the quality of tone and amplification produced by a brass instrument and its player. Drum Corps is soon going to be so watered down and polluted with everything that it's not that one day there will be no "drum corps." The value and attraction of drum corps has always been its ability to take something so simple (percussion and brass) and simulate with precision and clarity a full orchestra; choir; wind, jazz and rock ensembles complemented by a guard, that through their movements and technique make the emotion of the music seem tangible. Props and amplification means less reliance on the marching musicians. Plus, it is going to add a lot more cost to the shows that will negatively effect the profitability of these organizations and that's a worry they need to have remain stable. Drum corps isn't dying because it is new and fancy. Drum corps is dying because people like you are so tied to the past they can't see that the activity needs to change to survive. There is a reason MusicfForAll and BOA are growing and making money hand over fist. Same thing for WGI. It is because they embrace change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos001 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Drum corps isn't dying because it is new and fancy. Drum corps is dying because people like you are so tied to the past they can't see that the activity needs to change to survive. There is a reason MusicfForAll and BOA are growing and making money hand over fist. Same thing for WGI. It is because they embrace change. All that matters is if they (new ideas) are done well are not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Extensive use of static props are an obstacle and a distraction. They limit the view of the spectators (and judges) who are trying to watch the physical marching techniques as they synchronized to music, and they delay and/or shift the focus of many spectators away from the evolution and geometry of the drill. As for the voice of a narrator, soloist leave that to Big 10 marching bands and NFL pre-game. No matter how good your amplification equipment is, it will never ever sound complimentary to the quality of tone and amplification produced by a brass instrument and its player. Drum Corps is soon going to be so watered down and polluted with everything that it's not that one day there will be no "drum corps." The value and attraction of drum corps has always been its ability to take something so simple (percussion and brass) and simulate with precision and clarity a full orchestra; choir; wind, jazz and rock ensembles complemented by a guard, that through their movements and technique make the emotion of the music seem tangible. Props and amplification means less reliance on the marching musicians. Plus, it is going to add a lot more cost to the shows that will negatively effect the profitability of these organizations and that's a worry they need to have remain stable. "Real" Drum and bugle corps has been dead for a while. Get over yourself. It's an educational and competitive activity and the shows will reflect that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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