xandandl Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 '12 was a mix. thus the brighter sound than all euphs. Thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Seeing all the media focus on France and Paris in light of yesterday's tragedies, I was thinking the irony of doing a show centered on Paris with the world now watching. What if any effect..or rather affect...this has on the acceptance of the effort will be interesting to observe, the usual standards of drum corps excellence not discounted by any means. An ironic help or hindrance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVG_DC Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You're assuming the American populace will remember the events of the last few days come June. We seem to have a shorter and shorter memory for such things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) True, there is that presumption. I was musing with memories of how the crowds both cheered and bristled in Madison when the Cadets did the 9/11 tribute at the end of the show with the fireman raising the flag and the fire sirens going off outside the stadium. I suspect that there will be those who will read Phantom on a deeper level and those who will bristle if everything is not perfect tribute in their eyes. Edited January 8, 2015 by xandandl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtown Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 For the past few years (at least since 2012) people have been discussing Phantom's arrangements and criticizing Phantom's arranger. If Phantom hopes to be in the upper echelons again, they will need voice and props. No matter what anyone says, I think this year will be the start of the change to this. That is, if the objective is to compete at the top. Doing what everyone else is doing is not the way to achieve box 6 Regiment often looks unique by sticking to their guns and identity, not following the pack as much makes them different, such as their current all-female guard. Shaw was never Wren but followed his style, the shift is in the low brass, fewer power cords and backing whole note harmonic builds, there's more weight in the upper voices which makes it all very even across the board. It was pushed on here by some that Regiment limited arrangers by making them fit the Regiment box, perhaps if there is truth to that and they backed off? I dunno I’d like a little more Wren in the mix myself. Also would like better source music, why haven’t they done Rossini yet? I’m one of the few that think Regiment was a success last year, their jump from June to August showed that a lot of teaching/learning was going on. I don’t think they pulled the talent that they normally do but they got the corps there, they became Regiment. Some really good battery writing last year too, want to see where that goes the idea that they need props and voice regardless of purpose just to score, grosses me out 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Doing what everyone else is doing is not the way to achieve box 6 Regiment often looks unique by sticking to their guns and identity, not following the pack as much makes them different, such as their current all-female guard. Shaw was never Wren but followed his style, the shift is in the low brass, fewer power cords and backing whole note harmonic builds, there's more weight in the upper voices which makes it all very even across the board. It was pushed on here by some that Regiment limited arrangers by making them fit the Regiment box, perhaps if there is truth to that and they backed off? I dunno Id like a little more Wren in the mix myself. Also would like better source music, why havent they done Rossini yet? Im one of the few that think Regiment was a success last year, their jump from June to August showed that a lot of teaching/learning was going on. I dont think they pulled the talent that they normally do but they got the corps there, they became Regiment. Some really good battery writing last year too, want to see where that goes the idea that they need props and voice regardless of purpose just to score, grosses me out Well said. I'm not the biggest opponent to props and voice, but let regiment stick to being regiment. However, if they use props and voice in order to fit their own style, I'm all for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Well said. I'm not the biggest opponent to props and voice, but let regiment stick to being regiment. However, if they use props and voice in order to fit their own style, I'm all for it They have already used props and voice. The year they won in 2008. "I am Spartacus" is voice. "Die!" yelled in the opener is voice. However, it was not amplified. Imitation chains on the guard are props. Imitation swords used in the fight that prompted "Die" are props. They have also used props in other years. Remember 2012? The section where the drum major loses his head? Props. 1981 Spartacus: gladiator shieds, banner with gladiator/lion and coffin thing at the end. 1982's tambourine things, chains, shields and coffin at the end - props. 2013: Props/Voice 2014: "Gravitas" - voice Edited January 9, 2015 by Lincoln Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 They have already used props and voice. The year they won in 2008. "I am Spartacus" is voice. "Die!" yelled in the opener is voice. However, it was not amplified. Imitation chains on the guard are props. Imitation swords used in the fight that prompted "Die" are props. They have also used props in other years. Remember 2012? The section where the drum major loses his head? Props. 1981 Spartacus: gladiator shieds, banner with gladiator/lion and coffin thing at the end. 1982's tambourine things, chains and coffin at the end - props. 2013: Props/Voice 2014: "Gravitas" - voice So, what's the issue..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 So, what's the issue..? hmmmmm...... I think I'm less concerned than some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 True, there is that presumption. I was musing with memories of how the crowds both cheered and bristled in Madison when the Cadets did the 9/11 tribute at the end of the show with the fireman raising the flag and the fire sirens going off outside the stadium. I suspect that there will be those who will read Phantom on a deeper level and those who will bristle if everything is not perfect tribute in their eyes. I've tried to write a response to this since I first saw it. Every time I stop and erase what I've written thinking I'll come back to it. There are tragic things going on in the world. I know there are great things as well, but we live in the age of immediate information and every time something happens, it moves to the forefront of what we see depending on what device we are using to "connect" and the media outlet involved. One of my favorite things about this activity is the little corner of the world it fills. It's so often a happy world - music and motion created by people who want to entertain. From the big picture perspective few in the general public "get" it. Those of us who do love it. I know we salute shows that discuss difficult topics. Sometimes they bring us quickly down to earth and move us with their effectiveness. We also salute the shows that give us an escape to forget about the day-to-day goings on. I sincerely hope that Phantom's Paris-themed show reminds us of why so many love the city. Escaping to that wonderful Paris for 10+ minutes will be a treat this summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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