Cappybara Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Would you agree that the 20's are perfects when we want them to be perfects and its a maximum score when we want it to be a maximum score? I have seen people on these forums get chopped at the knee caps for congratulating BD on their perfect 20's in captions. Those people get hammered and corrected that BD just got the max score. But those same people that was blasting BD fans was congratulating Crown for their 20 in Brass in 2013. In regards to it's only numbers and it doesn't mean much, I found it very interesting in 2009-2010 when BD came close to breaking the scoring record, it mattered to a lot of people on this forum then. I remember seeing a bunch of post saying "At least they didn't break the record." "Cavies/Cadets scoring record is still in tact!" And a lot of other post/comments like that. But it wasn't until last year when BD shattered that record that all of the sudden the scoring record didn't mean anything and the real record that matters is SCV's scoring margin record. And it's safe to assume that if BD ever takes that record down, then DCP will come up with another record that actually means something and downplay the significance of the scoring margin record. Not saying you are to blame. I have read a lot of your post/comments in the past and I come to respect you for your insight on the activity. You just happened to mention it so I wanted to give my perspective, no matter how wrong or right it is. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are inconsistent about what a 20 in a caption means. I'm not one of those people. I'm adamant about the relative nature of scoring (spreads mean more than the actual score) and think that a 20 means both bad number management and that the judge just couldn't go any higher relative to the rest of the corps. 2 Quote
Chief Guns Posted July 13, 2015 Author Posted July 13, 2015 I'm sure there are plenty of people who are inconsistent about what a 20 in a caption means. I'm not one of those people. I'm adamant about the relative nature of scoring (spreads mean more than the actual score) and think that a 20 means both bad number management and that the judge just couldn't go any higher relative to the rest of the corps. Good insight. And I appreciate you're honesty in what a 20 means to you. Sadly not everyone is like that. Quote
GUARDLING Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) Would you agree that the 20's are perfects when we want them to be perfects and its a maximum score when we want it to be a maximum score? I have seen people on these forums get chopped at the knee caps for congratulating BD on their perfect 20's in captions. Those people get hammered and corrected that BD just got the max score. But those same people that was blasting BD fans was congratulating Crown for their 20 in Brass in 2013. In regards to it's only numbers and it doesn't mean much, I found it very interesting in 2009-2010 when BD came close to breaking the scoring record, it mattered to a lot of people on this forum then. I remember seeing a bunch of post saying "At least they didn't break the record." "Cavies/Cadets scoring record is still in tact!" And a lot of other post/comments like that. But it wasn't until last year when BD shattered that record that all of the sudden the scoring record didn't mean anything and the real record that matters is SCV's scoring margin record. And it's safe to assume that if BD ever takes that record down, then DCP will come up with another record that actually means something and downplay the significance of the scoring margin record. Not saying you are to blame. I have read a lot of your post/comments in the past and I come to respect you for your insight on the activity. You just happened to mention it so I wanted to give my perspective, no matter how wrong or right it is. i think records in something like this are important only to those who make it so. there can be many examples of this. Bd is well aware as most are i think that a perfect 20 most often means they ran out of numbers. does anyone really believe ANY corps is a 99 plus? Corps with some perfect scores tells me that there were some dam good corps behind them. Perfect scores just mean the best at a given time. you are right though, some dolive for these types of things. I think sometimes records only become important who want to make it so. Havent we seen in other things, people always finding ways to make their thought fit with what is happening at the moment for them, if positive.. what I mean by this is often in a given year we can see a poster say numbers dont mean a thing or judges early season dont mean a thing , Usually that poster ( not all of course ) their corps or who they like aren't doing well BUT if that same corps in another year comes out of the gate with an out of this world high score then its the quality and fight those saying the same they said in a previous year..lol Not sure If i made sense there or explained my opinion on this. Numbers are really nothing more than numbers. does the 99 plus winner and less of a winner if they got a 90. No not at all IMO Thanks also for the words also. i just try to maybe bring to the table a perspective of decades doing this. often though, involved or not , a little or alot people dont want to hear what really may be happening , just what they think should be. this could be very different and often is...lol...maybe time for me to go also.......lol Edited July 13, 2015 by GUARDLING 1 Quote
Chief Guns Posted July 13, 2015 Author Posted July 13, 2015 I got what you are saying. It made sense to me lol. But you are right. Some people on this forum are quick to blame everyone when their corps isn't scoring or placing where they think they should. It's always the judges fault lol. It's never that maybe, JUST MAYBE the other corps outperformed your corps. Heavens no we could never think that lol. I am BD all the way. I will be the first to admit Cadets outperformed them Saturday night. Cadets won fair and square. Too many excuses thrown around on these forums. And you might be right about no corps being a 99 plus. But if there ever was one, BD 2014 was it. That show was a masterpiece IMHO. But if I have learned anything about DCP, it's that this place is cutthroat lol. We will turn on you in a second. Phantom went from being the darlings of DCP to getting thrown in the dog house lol. Even the Troopers are getting some flack their way. The Troopers!!! Lol. I used to think it was only BD and Cadets that would get the hate. Nope. After seeing the last couple weeks, no corps is safe on these forums lol. It's like Amateur night at the Apollo. Anyone can get it lol. 1 Quote
GUARDLING Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) I got what you are saying. It made sense to me lol. But you are right. Some people on this forum are quick to blame everyone when their corps isn't scoring or placing where they think they should. It's always the judges fault lol. It's never that maybe, JUST MAYBE the other corps outperformed your corps. Heavens no we could never think that lol. I am BD all the way. I will be the first to admit Cadets outperformed them Saturday night. Cadets won fair and square. Too many excuses thrown around on these forums. And you might be right about no corps being a 99 plus. But if there ever was one, BD 2014 was it. That show was a masterpiece IMHO. But if I have learned anything about DCP, it's that this place is cutthroat lol. We will turn on you in a second. Phantom went from being the darlings of DCP to getting thrown in the dog house lol. Even the Troopers are getting some flack their way. The Troopers!!! Lol. I used to think it was only BD and Cadets that would get the hate. Nope. After seeing the last couple weeks, no corps is safe on these forums lol. It's like Amateur night at the Apollo. Anyone can get it lol. You are 100% right imo. I have always said that we are an activity who eats it's own...lol i hate, HATE comparisons, but will make one...lol..let say you are a past Olympian , it could be 50 years later and your title holds with respect. . on monday morning after DCI finals, you're ripped apart . Guess it's just human nature. BD is one thing and that is they know how to produce a champion, consistently , Yes there are others and of just as good quality and there is no denying that either, although many try to. Winners , know how to win. Edited July 13, 2015 by GUARDLING 1 Quote
Chief Guns Posted July 13, 2015 Author Posted July 13, 2015 You are 100% right imo. I have always said that we are an activity who eats it's own...lol i hate, HATE comparisons, but will make one...lol..let say you are a past Olympian , it could be 50 years later and your title holds with respect. . on monday morning after DCI finals, you're ripped apart . Guess it's just human nature. BD is one thing and that is they know how to produce a champion, consistently , Yes there are others and of just as good quality and there is no denying that either, although many try to. Winners , know how to win. Exactly!! Winners know how to win. And that's the main reason why BD gets so much hate. Last year was a masterpiece. And yes it did get a lot cheer's on DCP last year, there was still a lot of moans and groans. Why?? Cause BD has a certain number attached to them. That number is 16. They have won so many times that even if they do put out a fan friendly show people will still not like it cause they will win. BD can come out and do a show with 12 straight minutes of breakneck drill at break speeds, and then end the show on a massive powerful company front that pushes the stadium 6 feet back off its foundation. It still won't be received by all cause they will win again. I honestly believe if Felliniesque would have been BD's first championship, that show would have been loved by all. But it was #16. So people still didn't like it. 2 Quote
corpsband Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) You are 100% right imo. I have always said that we are an activity who eats it's own...lol i hate, HATE comparisons, but will make one...lol..let say you are a past Olympian , it could be 50 years later and your title holds with respect. . on monday morning after DCI finals, you're ripped apart . Guess it's just human nature. BD is one thing and that is they know how to produce a champion, consistently , Yes there are others and of just as good quality and there is no denying that either, although many try to. Winners , know how to win. OH NO. Guardling made a sports analogy :-( #dcpgodwin Edited July 13, 2015 by corpsband 2 Quote
GUARDLING Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 OH NO. Guardling made a sports analogy :-( #dcpgodwin Quote
Sideways Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 It's not simply a case of poor numbers management and handing out numbers that are too high. If a group meets the criteria for Box 5 on any given sheet they should receive a corresponding number. But what happens when you have a group perform that is clearly more than 1,2, 3 points better in that caption...they have to get a 20.0. Would not be fair to push someone down a box to make room for others when they meet the demands of the sheet. Quote
corpsband Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 It's not simply a case of poor numbers management and handing out numbers that are too high. If a group meets the criteria for Box 5 on any given sheet they should receive a corresponding number. But what happens when you have a group perform that is clearly more than 1,2, 3 points better in that caption...they have to get a 20.0. Would not be fair to push someone down a box to make room for others when they meet the demands of the sheet. it would be interesting to have a scoring system where there is no "number" -- just ranks and spreads. 1. Purple 2. Green -.5 3. Blue -1.1 etc... Quote
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