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I don't care what words were exchanged prior to this in the longer video, it simply doesn't matter!

This is ALL the damning evidence that is needed if this was the first physical contact.

HockeyDad, you're wrong. Regardless of the words or "orders" by this stadium employee, he had NO RIGHT to throw this elbow and get physical. HIS decision is not the end-all of every situation he comes across. He has superiors and, if a corps didn't follow his orders, his responsibility is to get his superiors involved, not to throw punches.

Even if the Troopers staff member told him to go F- himself, he had NO RIGHT to get physical. Period. Once he did that he deserved every response it took to restrain him.

Ok so you dragged me back into this. What Barney Fife the security guard did was beneath contempt. Here's my question: was there any other possible response that would have been equally effective and didn't include exchanging punches with more punches? I say yes. And apparently I'm a party of one on this but that's how it goes sometimes. It looks like Tim is a pretty big fellow compared to event staff guy. It also appears the event staff guy is quite a bit older. Yes, Tim was all kinda abused by this moron. Absolutely. But....could Tim have grabbed this guy by the shirt collar and backed him up about a hundred feet away from the corps, all the while explaining to him that THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! And restrain him there until the police arrived? Certainly someone called 911 right? Meeting violence with more violence is what's wrong with society today. One of the things that's wrong anyway. I'm just a Matthew 5:38 guy. You're not gonna move me from that outlook. I hope that's a more thorough explanation of my thoughts on this. Reasonable people can disagree, even in this case. The guy didn't have a gun. He wasn't an imminent threat to the life of anybody. If he were, my thoughts on this would match yours.

Oh, and by the way, I don't even have a YouTube account. So that's not me trolling over there.

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it's not wrong to punch somebody after they've elbowed you in the face and put you in a chokehold, no

he showed incredible restraint, actually

Amen. He was about to deliver another and he held up short. Lotsa restraint and "The Trooper Way" there, IMO.

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Ok... as someone that worked in security for a firm for a few months, between jobs, when I was out of college, and studying for a Brokers exam, I can tell you that we were always instructed never to initiate ANY physical contact with a person that failed to follow our directions. The protocol was to immediately use the horn to call for back up.. even a supervisor.. to bring them in to persuade the person that they needed to follow directions.. or else. Sometimes 5 or 6 security would show up, and that'd be enough to get our directions followed, or an agreeable compromise would usually be arrived at. Even in the few situations where a person got a bit violent, the 5 or 6 of us could grab him, put in in the security vehicle, and escort him off the premises.. or in rare cases, contact the local police to arrive for assistance with the violent person or persons. This Lucas Security Guard had no right to put his hand on the Troopers staffer.. and certainly not an elbow thrust to the staffers throat, no matter WHAT the staffer might have said to the security guy here. I'm pretty sure that Lucas Security Supervisors will conclude that proper security protocol by this security guard was not properly followed here. The reason proper security protocol would not allow this behavior from the guard is to avoid the very escalation that then became the aftermath of the guard's response to his directive that apparently was not immediately complied with. We were also told that it is US that has the power of enforcement over the individual. We have the obligation then to have our directions followed by verbal means with the public at all times, except if we are attacked first, then naturally the guard has the right to use physical force that is neccessary and proper to get the situation under control. This Trooper staffer however was apparently no physical threat at any time to this security person. As such, the security guard had no right at all to toss his elbow at his throat like this as an initiation of the physical violence between the two of them. None. The guard here lost control.. and thus things here quickly unraveled for both of them. I blame the Guard primarily for this. He did not follow the directions of his firm on how to properly handle directions that may not be immediately followed on the part of the public. I'm pretty confident the guard's firm will conclude this as well after a proper review of the incident here.... the only other issue here then is whether or not the Troopers were in violation of any Lucas guidelines. The guard here thought so. But the staffer looked likje he was not going to comply with the guards orders to do something... what that something was, is unclear to me at the moment. I'm no sure whether or not the Troopers were in some stadiums violation of stadium rules here or not. But thats for another discussion perhaps... but in either case, it does not exonerate the guard from his unwarranted use of physical violence upon the staffer that caused this all to go downhill in violence from there.

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Ok so you dragged me back into this. What Barney Fife the security guard did was beneath contempt. Here's my question: was there any other possible response that would have been equally effective and didn't include exchanging punches with more punches? I say yes. And apparently I'm a party of one on this but that's how it goes sometimes. It looks like Tim is a pretty big fellow compared to event staff guy. It also appears the event staff guy is quite a bit older. Yes, Tim was all kinda abused by this moron. Absolutely. But....could Tim have grabbed this guy by the shirt collar and backed him up about a hundred feet away from the corps, all the while explaining to him that THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! And restrain him there until the police arrived? Certainly someone called 911 right? Meeting violence with more violence is what's wrong with society today. One of the things that's wrong anyway. I'm just a Matthew 5:38 guy. You're not gonna move me from that outlook. I hope that's a more thorough explanation of my thoughts on this. Reasonable people can disagree, even in this case. The guy didn't have a gun. He wasn't an imminent threat to the life of anybody. If he were, my thoughts on this would match yours.

Oh, and by the way, I don't even have a YouTube account. So that's not me trolling over there.

Uhh...Tim was escaping a chokehold....a pretty dangerous move.

Sorry...but I'll say it again...real fights are not like the movies.

If there is a threat -- and there certainly WAS one here -- you DROP THE THREAT.

Tim was NOT in the wrong here.

When you get into your next similar fight, video it and show us how that goes.

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OMG!!! THAT'S SOOOO FUUNNNNYYY!!!!!!

Wins the thread with laughter.

I'm glad that I'm not alone in that being my first reaction to the post. I just didn't know if it would be a welcomed addition...or a lack of tact. Whichever...I laughed like h***.

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Ok... as someone that worked in security for a firm for a few months, between jobs, when I was out of college, and studying for a Brokers exam, I can tell you that we were always instructed never to initiate ANY physical contact with a person that failed to follow our directions. The protocol was to immediately use the horn to call for back up.. even a supervisor.. to bring them in to persuade the person that they needed to follow directions.. or else. Sometimes 5 or 6 security would show up, and that'd be enough to get our directions followed, or an agreeable compromise would usually be arrived at. Even in the few situations where a person got a bit violent, the 5 or 6 of us could grab him, put in in the security vehicle, and escort him off the premises.. or in rare cases, contact the local police to arrive for assistance with the violent person or persons. This Lucas Security Guard had no right to put his hand on the Troopers staffer.. and certainly not an elbow thrust to the staffers throat, no matter WHAT the staffer might have said to the security guy here. I'm pretty sure that Lucas Security Supervisors will conclude that proper security protocol by this security guard was not properly followed here. The reason proper security protocol would not allow this behavior from the guard is to avoid the very escalation that then became the aftermath of the guard's response to his directive that apparently was not immediately complied with. We were also told that it is US that has the power of enforcement over the individual. We have the obligation to have our directions followed by verbal means with the public at all times, except if we are attacked first, then naturally the guard has the right to use physical force that is neccessary and proper to get the situation under control. This Trooper staffer was apparently no physical threat at any time to this security person however. As such, the security guard had no right at all to toss his elbow at his throat like this. None. The guard here lost control.. and thus things here quickly unraveled for both of them.

Additionally, what if SuperSecurityDoof had been armed? Escalating the incident like HE did could result in far worse than him sitting on the ground crying for Mommy because he big bad guy HE assaulted fought back (and far better).

Or if Tim had been armed and more included to draw? Same result.

(Which brings up what would've happened if SSD had assaulted Troop's DM, since he IS armed with a cavalry sabre.)

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Ok so you dragged me back into this. What Barney Fife the security guard did was beneath contempt. Here's my question: was there any other possible response that would have been equally effective and didn't include exchanging punches with more punches? I say yes. And apparently I'm a party of one on this but that's how it goes sometimes. It looks like Tim is a pretty big fellow compared to event staff guy. It also appears the event staff guy is quite a bit older. Yes, Tim was all kinda abused by this moron. Absolutely. But....could Tim have grabbed this guy by the shirt collar and backed him up about a hundred feet away from the corps, all the while explaining to him that THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! And restrain him there until the police arrived? Certainly someone called 911 right? Meeting violence with more violence is what's wrong with society today. One of the things that's wrong anyway. I'm just a Matthew 5:38 guy. You're not gonna move me from that outlook. I hope that's a more thorough explanation of my thoughts on this. Reasonable people can disagree, even in this case. The guy didn't have a gun. He wasn't an imminent threat to the life of anybody. If he were, my thoughts on this would match yours.

Oh, and by the way, I don't even have a YouTube account. So that's not me trolling over there.

I get the point, but do you know when was the time to "love your enemy"? When he was on the ground and disabled from inflicting harm on Tim or anyone else.

What I REALLY want to see is not what occurred prior to the flying fists, but what happened AFTER. Where'd Deputy Doofus go? Who called whom? Did he report in to his superiors?

Loving thy enemies means the Troopers don't fund their next ten years off of a lawsuit against the company employing the staff. (Although that may end a very good relationship with LOS, so I likely wouldn't pursue it.)

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Yeah, I definitely changed my tune on this when I saw the 2nd video. All bets are off when you are attacked and you did not provoke such a response. Most of us would fight like heck if someone threw an elbow to our neck or tried to choke hold us. I wonder what made the LOS security guy so crazy? He seemed to overstep his authority. Either way, there is a story on each side and I'm sure it's getting hashed out.

Other corps apparently complained about the employee too

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