Lance Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 11 hours ago, ouooga said: I thought de Meij wouldn't license his music for drum corps, which is why no one's played Gandalf yet. Cadets did The Big Apple in 99, so I'm not sure all of his work is off limits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouooga Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 11 hours ago, Lance said: Cadets did The Big Apple in 99, so I'm not sure all of his work is off limits. Ah, forgot that was him. To be honest, I think we played Gandalf my sophomore year of high school, I told my band director we should march it the next year, and he said his music was off limits. In retrospect, that might have just been a canned answer for him to give to students and I've since held onto the info as fact. So....who's going to march Gandalf? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leed17 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 1 hour ago, ouooga said: Ah, forgot that was him. To be honest, I think we played Gandalf my sophomore year of high school, I told my band director we should march it the next year, and he said his music was off limits. In retrospect, that might have just been a canned answer for him to give to students and I've since held onto the info as fact. So....who's going to march Gandalf? Black Gold from Tulsa, OK played de Meij's Lord of the Rings back in 1992 and 93 - they were a below 20th place corps each of those years, but it was interesting hearing it done on the field after playing it in college during that same time period. I think the first time I saw them do it was at Preview of Champions at Vanderbilt in 92. I wonder if they procured the licensing for that when they did it those two years? My guess is probably not but ya never know - I don't think they made the video set in 1993 because they were out of the top 25, but I believe I have the video from 1992 quarterfinals when they performed it (they made top 25 that year). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Black Gold '92 is actually on Youtube. I listened to this a lot on cassette back in the day. Nice show. https://youtu.be/EH_1ScRbehc Mike 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 On 3/15/2017 at 4:57 PM, frachel said: Currently playing 3 movements of the LoTR Symphony #1. Holy double-tonguing-from-hell for all the trumpets (4 trumpet parts in this one) in Gollum. His stuff is certainly interesting. I saw de Meij himself conduct a 25th anniversary performance of this at Valparaiso a few years ago, featuring two wind ensembles. Michael Boo was the tympanist for one of the groups, but there being only one tympani part, he stepped aside to allow the other to perform. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 20 hours ago, Lance said: Cadets did The Big Apple in '99, so I'm not sure all of his work is off limits. And de Meij was actually in attendance at Finals that year, which was even noted on the PBS broadcast that night. I asked him what he thought following the Lord of the Rings performance at Valpo, and his face took on a pained expression. He said that he admired the talent on display, but was disappointed that the music took a back seat to the visuals. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 4 hours ago, MikeN said: Black Gold '92 is actually on Youtube. I listened to this a lot on cassette back in the day. Nice show. https://youtu.be/EH_1ScRbehc Mike I'm quite enjoying that. Thanks for the link! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingusmonk Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) It is technically possible to get rights on pieces by de Meij. But that does not speak to the likelihood. I have covered this before but it has been almost 5 years and have all slept since then. So here is a recap: 11 years ago, the following composers were involved in a copyright skirmish with BOA. It caused a fairly significant delay on BOA video products. I cannot find a direct link to BOA's press release, but here is the text announcing their settlement reproduced from multiple websites and forums: Quote Bands of America, Inc. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE March 31, 2006 The undersigned entities and persons have jointly released for public knowledge the following release and informational statement. The undersigned wish to confirm their mutual respect for the rights of composers, the integrity of copyrights, the value of music, and the importance of music education. Consistent with these views, the parties acknowledge that composers and publishers have the inherent right to be properly compensated for the commercial use of their music, and the corresponding right to enforce theirs copyrights by legal action if necessary. This naturally includes those instances in which copyrighted compositions are performed, recorded, and subsequently distributed in CDs, videos and/or DVDs. Recently, the undersigned have been involved in litigation related to the foregoing. We are pleased to announce that we have resolved that dispute. In so doing, we look forward to the continued promotion of music education (both curricular and extracurricular), while adhering to the important and beneficial safeguards of the U.S. Copyright laws. Bands of America Scott McCormick, President and CEO Eric Martin, Vice President and COO Johan de Meij Philip Sparke Jan Van der Roost Stephen Melillo Amstel Music, BV De Haske Music Publications, BV Anglo Music Press Studio Music Company Stormworks Since the year of that tussle (2006), there has been zero Van der Roost in DCI. I only see two documented DCI usages of de Meij (2009 Cavaliers, Les Stentors) and two documented Sparke (2009 7th Regiment, 2014 Carolina Crown). Melillo's work saw frequent usage in the 2000's (mostly in smaller divisions) and stopped dead cold after 2005 ... that is, until 2014 Cavaliers and then 2016 SCV. It seems things might be starting to thaw a bit. Interesting to keep an eye on it. Edited March 17, 2017 by mingusmonk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouooga Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, mingusmonk said: It is technically possible to get rights on pieces by de Meij. But that does not speak to the likelihood. I have covered this before but it has been almost 5 years and have all slept since then. So here is a recap: 11 years ago, the following composers were involved in a copyright skirmish with BOA. It caused a fairly significant delay on BOA video products. I cannot find a direct link to BOA's press release, but here is the text announcing their settlement reproduced from multiple websites and forums: Since the year of that tussle (2006), there has been zero Van der Roost in DCI. I only see two documented DCI usages of de Meij (2009 Cavaliers, Les Stentors) and two documented Sparke (2009 7th Regiment, 2014 Carolina Crown). Melillo's work saw frequent usage in the 2000's (mostly in smaller divisions) and stopped dead cold after 2005 ... that is, until 2014 Cavaliers and then 2016 SCV. It seems things might be starting to thaw a bit. Interesting to keep an eye on it. I stand by my argument that more corps should compose their own music (with different, easier methods than the commonly held methodology). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostrauser Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) On 3/15/2017 at 10:09 AM, ouooga said: I thought de Meij wouldn't license his music for drum corps, which is why no one's played Gandalf yet. Johan de Meij, Jan van der Roost, Stephen Melillo, and Philip Sparke are four composers I know of that charge EXORBITANT licensing fees, far above the standard. Melillo and de Meij, in particular, are very choosy about who they grant licenses to (Melillo, I believe, refuses to grant arrangement licenses to any and all high school marching bands... but the Cavaliers got the rights to a piece in 2014 and Vanguard did also just last season). (edited to add: based on MingusMonk's post, I believe these four intentionally "priced" themselves out of the affordability of high school bands...it also appears there is a thaw between Melillo and DCI, but not Melillo and BOA.) But if I've learned anything about arrangement licensing it is this: it's all about WHO you know. I have seen many legal arrangements of music on the "don't bother asking" restricted lists. The only composers I can think of who maintain a 100% refusal rate for arrangements are John Williams and David Maslanka. Video and synchronization licensing is a whole 'nother barrel of rotten fish. There are a ton of composers/publishers who will issue arrangement licenses with no drama who absolutely will not under any circumstances grant video licenses for that music. Edited March 17, 2017 by hostrauser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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