Jeff Ream Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 16 hours ago, Barneveld said: I can see why you thought that way Jeff Ream. oh he said he was blocking me in another thread. that lasted long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Fran Haring said: I don't know of anyone here... or anywhere... who is rooting for the Cadets to go under. Some folks are rooting for a change in administration... which they feel will actually help the Cadets grow stronger. Big difference between "hoping a corps folds" and "hoping a corps makes some changes." post of any Cadets thread ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Newseditor44 said: With all due respect, the reason they're not getting the best and the brightest has nothing to do with reputation and everything to do with money. If you want to hire the best, you have to be able to pay them their worth. Thus the reason you get many inexperienced people in leadership positions within non-profits. YEA (and other orgs in our activity) are not rolling in cash. Turnover in these jobs is typical - long hours, low pay, always a recipe for employees keeping one foot out the door. doesnt seem to hurt BD.........now run by the long time heir to the YEA throne. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said: i read quite well.I have for all 15 plus years of DCP's existence. I even read the stuff I don't like well. doesn't seem that way when I said I was no longer going to be a donor/supporter and you took that and ran with "I thought you said you were leaving" kind of snarky reply 3 hours ago, Newseditor44 said: Not to drag this out anymore than it needs to be, but I don't need to watch it again. They're taking business communication that was meant for the parties involved and sharing it on social media. I understand we live in a world that feeds on gossip (especially this site) but I won't be part of that. They have no inside knowledge or background to bring any sensible context to the conversation (being a member of Cadets2 does not give you inside knowledge of management operations and issues). But even more so, there is an ethical issue with all of this that could be dangerous for them, the organization and the activity. exactly correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 4 hours ago, Slingerland said: No one hires themselves. If GH put this person in charge, then the responsibility for the employee's success or lack thereof goes to the person who hired him. More to the point, If this had been a one-time lack of success in that position, that'd be one thing - but EVERYone who takes a senior staff assignment at YEA seems to "fail" or bail not long after taking the job. Think about that. the applicant / hire may let you down. I've hired people who have been late their first day, say they will give "100%" and give "50%" etc. Claim to be "great motivators" or "leaders" and it turns out they inspire know one Both share the responsibility. Hiring someone is an art, not a science. And sometimes you pick the "best available" which I think was the case here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said: doesnt seem to hurt BD.........now run by the long time heir to the YEA throne. oh BROTHER. Longtime heir (as in 18 months) You mean B $$$$$$$$ D Why can't BD develop their own talent? Or Boston? Or Crown? Or Coats? There's a topic! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 4 hours ago, cowtown said: Maybe you should watch it again, they are Cadet 2 members planning on auditioning for Cadets. They defend some stuff, point out that it’s one-sided. Their conclusion is people need to be treated fairly and they need the facts and that not happening. They felt they needed to speak out about it as members of the Cadets family. They are just trying to create Drum Corps media in the offseason, credit to them I’m not a Hop fan but Hop is just being Hop, only thing different is the placement. The people that look dirty here are the ones jumping off the borg because of the scores, as if placements justified it and now it doesn’t. Ya, it’s about the kids I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 9 hours ago, Fran Haring said: I don't know of anyone here... or anywhere... who is rooting for the Cadets to go under. Some folks are rooting for a change in administration... which they feel will actually help the Cadets grow stronger. Big difference between "hoping a corps folds" and "hoping a corps makes some changes." Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slingerland Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, George Dixon said: Why can't BD develop their own talent? Or Boston? Or Crown? Or Coats? That statement can be easily flipped into "why can't YEA hang on to their talent?" As for hiring being a risk, of course that's true. However, when the ratio of long-term to short-term tenures from senior management falls heavily on the side of "short term" at YEA, that's indicative of a deeper problem in senior management. I'd hope, for their sake, that someone on the BOD is looking at all of this and wondering if maybe now is the time to get some coaching going at the top, while the situation is still salvageable. Edited October 13, 2017 by Slingerland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, Fran Haring said: I don't know of anyone here... or anywhere... who is rooting for the Cadets to go under. Some folks are rooting for a change in administration... which they feel will actually help the Cadets grow stronger. Big difference between "hoping a corps folds" and "hoping a corps makes some changes." Thank you, Fran. Sometimes, I think some of the people on this website would prefer that it be an echo chamber. Edited October 14, 2017 by Terri Schehr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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