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7 hours ago, garfield said:

True, but in financial numbers that impact the dollars received by each corps, it ain't chump-change either.

The proof, in my eyes, that the activity is healthy will be in the expansion of the activity to beyond those now participating by growing organic organizations into competitive challengers.

But it begins with a wholesale change in the attitude regarding "The Pie" from one of protecting turf to one of growing the number of players.  Players pay tour fees and their "fans" buy show tickets.  DCI's BoD needs to be willing to accept that the risk they take to dividing the pie is more than compensated by the pie getting bigger.

That's a hard position to accept when you've been fighting death for 25 or 60 years.

 

Revenue, vs the Pie Slices, vs Number of Corps, vs Numbers of Ticket Sales.  Ok...this may not account for everything, but the logic is sound:

a) The average performer enters a corps at 18yo or 19yo and marches until age-out,  That is three to four years; and since the family and friends of those marchers will follow those marchers, that would account for the three-year or four-year cycle of fans.  And it can also account for a slight uptick in ticket sales as of late because there are a few more 150-performer type corps out on the field today.

b) The current number of corps split between WC and OC stands at 23 and 23.  Since the WC are the voting members in DCI do they slice the revenue pie 46 ways? Heck No!!  They slice the revenue into dang close to 24 slices; 23 for the WC and 1 for the OC to split 23 ways.

c) In all likelihood, if the activity is going to grow a lot over the next say five years or so, that growth will mainly occur in the OC division.  More fans, more friends, more family, and more tickets sold per three-year cycle.  Especially at Michigan City and likely on Thur at Lucas.  And because of the governing structure, and actual pie slicing (more WC corps means less revenue per WC corps), there will likely be very few corps allowed up into the WC.

d) So lets say in five years there are 28 WC corps and 42 OC corps.  Great!!!!!  But since the WC will still hold the purse strings, will the the DCI revenue be split 70 ways?  Heck No!!! It will be split 29 ways; 28 for the WC corps and 1 slice split 42 ways for the OC.  Even though it will be just five corps moving up to WC from OC and the 24 new OC corps will be bringing in most of those new three-year cycle fans of friends and family.

e) Contrary to popular belief DCI is 'not' The Corps.  DCI is the WC Voting Corps with token scraps of bread (revenue) filtering to the OC who are at the mercy of the voting class.  Yet it will likely be the OC which grows leaps and bounds not the WC.

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On 8/13/2017 at 7:31 PM, mjoakes said:

I can't speak to any potential suspiciousness of the Legends drive. But it is so disappointing that Pio is still at only $3,000 (if their web site is correct). They had very specific details regarding the need.

The personal vehicle you referenced was towing equipment and staff.  He let the Corps use it over the summer, even when he wasn't there.

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Finally had time to read this and it really turned into a pointing fingers match.  I have a corps that wont come out until they have a revenue stream to come back with stability.  So to get said corps out of retirement we need a plan for revenue.  Bingo wont work because a casino was built in the area of the old bingo hall.  Now I have seen concessions but if the organization has nobody right now how does it recruit bodies?  I know Stars do Octoberfest and some other celebrations in the area.  Is the best revenue straight donations and thats how pretty much everyone is doing it?

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On 8/13/2017 at 8:38 PM, Pantherett said:

Boston got a huge infusion from some alumni, hence moving from 12th to 6th. Like Star they are buying a championship by paying staff and designers outrageous sums of money. 

What huge infusion?  Paying staff and designers outrageous sums?  

I don't know where you are hearing such things. It takes a whole lot more than money to go from 12th to 6th. It also takes more than money to assemble, and retain, a good staff.

In its considerable history (and struggle for survival) Boston has learned some important lessons, slowly, surely... and very much the hard way.  Ask some folks who marched there in the 80s what it was like. Ask some folks about how the kids got the drum corps home from Europe when the leadership absconded with the money, leaving them broke and stranded.  That group of kids and young alumni held the corps together then -- when it had absolutely nothing (including the corps name) -- and is now the backbone of the organization.

There was no "fairy godmother" who gave a pile of cash that solved Boston's problems.  No, it was sound leadership that righted the organization, and came from former MMs.... members who were baptized in drum corps fire; and became stronger, savvier, and successful because of it. 

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2 hours ago, Ediker said:

What huge infusion?  Paying staff and designers outrageous sums?  

I don't know where you are hearing such things. It takes a whole lot more than money to go from 12th to 6th. It also takes more than money to assemble, and retain, a good staff.

In its considerable history (and struggle for survival) Boston has learned some important lessons, slowly, surely... and very much the hard way.  Ask some folks who marched there in the 80s what it was like. Ask some folks about how the kids got the drum corps home from Europe when the leadership absconded with the money, leaving them broke and stranded.  That group of kids and young alumni held the corps together then -- when it had absolutely nothing (including the corps name) -- and is now the backbone of the organization.

There was no "fairy godmother" who gave a pile of cash that solved Boston's problems.  No, it was sound leadership that righted the organization, and came from former MMs.... members who were baptized in drum corps fire; and became stronger, savvier, and successful because of it. 

Sound leadership didn't lure half of Crown and Cadets' staff to BAC.  That was absolutely the magic of cold hard cash.

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8 minutes ago, Bobby L. Collins said:

Sound leadership didn't lure half of Crown and Cadets' staff to BAC.  That was absolutely the magic of cold hard cash.

Sound leadership built the organization that collected the money and built a program that would attract some of the venerable staff in the activity.

Why are you compelled to trash the efforts of those who demonstrate success in the activity?  Is it because they use Bb horns and electronics?

You just can't give credit where due, can you?

 

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40 minutes ago, garfield said:

Sound leadership built the organization that collected the money and built a program that would attract some of the venerable staff in the activity.

Why are you compelled to trash the efforts of those who demonstrate success in the activity?  Is it because they use Bb horns and electronics?

You just can't give credit where due, can you?

 

That poster seems to be a miserable person..I feel sorry for them...

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Stop over-romanticizing.  They poached big-name instructors with dollar signs, end of story.   If it makes you feel better to call it strong leadership, knock yourself out.  But at the end of the day, it's just spending a disproportionate amount of money to be competitive.

6 minutes ago, Liahona said:

That poster seems to be a miserable person..I feel sorry for them...

Just because I don't join in on the CJ here doesn't mean I'm miserable.  Higher standards and expectations, certainly.  But I'm not going to call a spade a club just to make you feel warm and fuzzy.

 

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27 minutes ago, Bobby L. Collins said:

Stop over-romanticizing.  They poached big-name instructors with dollar signs, end of story.   If it makes you feel better to call it strong leadership, knock yourself out.  But at the end of the day, it's just spending a disproportionate amount of money to be competitive.

Just because I don't join in on the CJ here doesn't mean I'm miserable.  Higher standards and expectations, certainly.  But I'm not going to call a spade a club just to make you feel warm and fuzzy.

 

$$$ is the "romance" the activity runs on.

"...poached..."   Pfftt.  Do you know how many dollars were spent on those instructors?  Oh yea, drum corps aren't allowed to spend their money on improving their staff according to you.

You must have REALLY hated Star of Indiana in its day.

Something tells me you couldn't identify "warm and fuzzy" if you bathed in it.

But you OWN the "J" part of the circle-party, that's for sure.

Is there something in the water in East Tennessee?  Lead maybe?  

Wow.

Your vitriol has taken on a whole new level.

 

 

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