Stu Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 11 hours ago, Cainan said: Euros actually... Apparently (so I am told..) this has NOTHING at ALL to do with money.... 6 hours ago, totaleefree said: This year was the last year of a multiannual contract with the Parkstad Limburg Stadium. The contract needs to be renewed, and it is also a year in which we needed to make decisions on several new investments. The question for the DCE board to ask is how we can keep the foundation healthy (in regard to the organisation and the finances) It's Always about the money; Always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranintothedoor Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 9 hours ago, Stu said: It's Always about the money; Always. Not necessarily true... If they're burned out, they're burned out, you know? Or, as they state, their situations changed and their volunteerism untenable. When there's a will there's a way, but if there's no will.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, ranintothedoor said: Not necessarily true... If they're burned out, they're burned out, you know? Or, as they state, their situations changed and their volunteerism untenable. When there's a will there's a way, but if there's no will.... When there is a comfortable source of revenue and a well paid staff is secured for the vital positions the volunteers within the organization do rather short stints and they are not required to take on the success/fail aspects of the organizational situations; thus in those organizations volunteers are typically plentiful, happy, and do not burnout . But when volunteers are required to take on vital and important organizational duties, when they are required to volunteer more and more and more time without compensation, and when they, the volunteers, have the burden of the organization collapsing if they cease volunteering, yes it is downright difficult to secure volunteers and burnout to the point of the organization collapsing typically occurs. By the way; 'Will' does not pay the bills, and requiring volunteers to put in increasing time and effort does not rectify the situation but only worsens it. So again, it is Always about money; Always. Even in the case of volunteer burnout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtown Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Only George Hopkins can save them, He can control an entire continent’s circuit. Go save them Hoppy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, ranintothedoor said: Not necessarily true... If they're burned out, they're burned out, you know? Or, as they state, their situations changed and their volunteerism untenable. When there's a will there's a way, but if there's no will.... sounds like they kept it internal though. reaching out to the corps themselves could have been a huge help 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afd Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Very sad. I'm wondering if this have an impact of corps in different parts of Europe especially in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cainan Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 47 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: sounds like they kept it internal though. reaching out to the corps themselves could have been a huge help You got it in one.. DCE was totally internal, with NO corps representation within the organization, hence why it only lasted 15 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cainan Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 42 minutes ago, afd said: Very sad. I'm wondering if this have an impact of corps in different parts of Europe especially in the UK. DCUK was always separate from DCE. The only affect on UK corps as of now is one less show.. Kerkrade.. which by all accounts, the various corps are working together to ensure a European championship this year.. it just may not be in Kerkrade is all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Cainan said: You got it in one.. DCE was totally internal, with NO corps representation within the organization, hence why it only lasted 15 years. I get what you're saying, but is it realistic to think that none of the participant organizations had any inkling that something was imminent? No one asked any questions or saw any cracks? Glad to hear the implications are minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Stu said: When there is a comfortable source of revenue and a well paid staff is secured for the vital positions the volunteers within the organization do rather short stints and they are not required to take on the success/fail aspects of the organizational situations; thus in those organizations volunteers are typically plentiful, happy, and do not burnout . But when volunteers are required to take on vital and important organizational duties, when they are required to volunteer more and more and more time without compensation, and when they, the volunteers, have the burden of the organization collapsing if they cease volunteering, yes it is downright difficult to secure volunteers and burnout to the point of the organization collapsing typically occurs. By the way; 'Will' does not pay the bills, and requiring volunteers to put in increasing time and effort does not rectify the situation but only worsens it. So again, it is Always about money; Always. Even in the case of volunteer burnout. It will be interesting to find out what the bank balance was when they made the decision. I'm not convinced it's always about money; there's no evidence that's the case here...yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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