JackTripper Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Doopty did it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amil Muzz Posted May 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) The thing I think the YEA situation and this situation have in common is competent Board over sight. YEAs Board, it seems, were enablers and blind supporters of the Executive Director. In this second case, there really is no Board Oversight. The Board are the owners/buyers of the Crossmen, a recent age out, and one other person. This is an issue with many drum corps and an area that needs to be addressed. DCI does have the authority to get into internal Day to Day business. I worked for a drum corps who’s board couldn’t meet regularly because Board Members simply would not come to meetings. I worked for another drum corps who’s Board Members, when called about totally unsafe conditions with Transportation and Food Safety would get ###### that they were being called. It’s like Congress now days, when that Check is not operating or non existent, what do you do? Who do you talk to? Who’s responsible? If Board Members aren’t engaged, If Board Members are ignorant of things that they are responsible to oversee, If Board Members aren’t aware of Policies that are being implemented; what do you? It’s hard to fix ignorance, especially if it’s willful ignorance. I have seen plenty of that. I hope those individuals are good D&O Insurance. I hope they have a strong firewall protecting their assets. Drum Corps have stop being amateur hour organizations and look at the realities of the World today and take more seriously the potential and very real perils of taking 154 kids and 20-30 adults and travel the way we do. With a serious board oversight the YEA situation would not have developed the way it did in the end. With serious oversight chances are the Crossmen situation wouldn’t have happened. It’s a systemic issue. It’s not a DCI issue, per se. I think this thread has been a pretty good demonstration of some of the approaches to oversight don’t work. The dismissive attitudes towards professional people who have to get a State Issued credential and maintain it and who because of that State Credential are BOUND BY LAW to report issues is beyond stupid. But that attitude has been on display here. For All To See. The excuse of “no one reported it” doesn’t fly IF THERE IS NO ONE TO GO TO or worse they didn’t think they would be listened to. That’s the nut of all of this; powerlessness. Whether it’s a man using his authority to take advantage of someone in unspeakable ways or a situation where decisions aren’t questioned because no one is there to effectively challenge questionable judgements giant, ugly, messy, problems inevitably follow. Edited May 23, 2018 by Amil Muzz Grammar 6 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I don't know. To me, this thread has been more of a demonstration that people care more about bashing other people on DCP than trying to solve the important problems that DCI faces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Amil Muzz said: 2. When it came to speaking to Mgt. about concerns with the situation staff members (2012) were told "it was none of our business and you can leave if its a problem for you." Thank you Jason for being brave enough to step away from the screen name and tell us first hand. Answers some questions I had about who knew what inside the corps. Quoted #2 as totally unfrigging believable. I believe you, I find it unbelievable and unacceptable that a head would run things this way. Wonder if this carried over in DCI. Edited May 23, 2018 by JimF-LowBari 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 hours ago, skevinp said: I don't know. To me, this thread has been more of a demonstration that people care more about bashing other people on DCP than trying to solve the important problems that DCI faces. You oughta read closer then 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dans Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 hours ago, skevinp said: I don't know. To me, this thread has been more of a demonstration that people care more about bashing other people on DCP than trying to solve the important problems that DCI faces. Well said sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 8 hours ago, N.E. Brigand said: I thought that the Inquirer article said that just a week earlier, Moody had told Genesis's director, Chris Magonigal, that he would be touring with Crossmen this summer. IIRC, Moody said he expected to be on tour this summer... but did not specify with which corps, or in what role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicManNJ Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, JimF-LowBari said: Quoted #2 as totally unfrigging believable. I believe you, I find it unbelievable and unacceptable that a head would run things this way. Wonder if this carried over in DCI. I am not surre I found this #2 statement unbelievable. Morrison made the decision to hire Moody. When he was hired staff raised their concerns. Fred had already decided to give Joel the second chance so the likely hood of these corns being heard was slim. He was the boss. He made the decision. And he expected people to accept the decision or move on. I see this every day (with certainly lesson important issues). I am not condoning he decision. I just understand how in the initial period this would go. What we don't know is what would he have done 5 years later if these issues were brought to him? What we do now is those with concerns did not feel they could come to him (per the article). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MusicManNJ said: I am not surre I found this #2 statement unbelievable. Morrison made the decision to hire Moody. When he was hired staff raised their concerns. Fred had already decided to give Joel the second chance so the likely hood of these corns being heard was slim. He was the boss. He made the decision. And he expected people to accept the decision or move on. I see this every day (with certainly lesson important issues). I am not condoning he decision. I just understand how in the initial period this would go. What we don't know is what would he have done 5 years later if these issues were brought to him? What we do now is those with concerns did not feel they could come to him (per the article). I didn’t read it as I make the final decision and accept it or leave. I read it as there will be no discussion and if you want to talk about it leave. The no discussion is unacceptable to me. Only Emil knows the correct reading of this as he was there... Edited May 23, 2018 by JimF-LowBari 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quad Aces Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I mentioned this before - what makes Moody so special that he warrants this kind of consideration? I don’t know him, but Fred had to know this hiring would be controversial, if people realized Moody’s background. Maybe that’s what Fred was counting on, that no one would find out his history (which would be incredibly naive nonetheless). What does Moody bring to the table that others without the tainted history could not have? Fred easily should have had the foresight to realize that this move would put him and the corps in a bad position, and yet he did it anyway. So he either didn’t care about the consequences, or didn’t realize all this would happen. Either way is bad. What makes Moody so special to warrant all of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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