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21 minutes ago, HockeyDad said:

Hah!  I was wondering who would be the first person to mention William Randolph Hearst. You win. Rosebud!

Thanks Mr Welles.... lol

actually grandfather (21 yrs older than grandma) was a Spanish American War vet so I’m full of SAWar tidbits... along with full of other stuff

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27 minutes ago, HockeyDad said:

Hah!  I was wondering who would be the first person to mention William Randolph Hearst. You win. Rosebud!

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3 hours ago, N.E. Brigand said:

 All that changed with the Pentagon Papers and Watergate was that, for a time, some journalists decided that they'd been too chummy with powerful people, who had been using them to cover up their misdeeds, so the journalists became less inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. (Last year's movie The Post captures that aspect pretty well.) That deference to power is not just a journalistic failing. Could George Hopkins have gotten away with his behavior for so long if his victims thought they'd be believed?

Never saw that movie, not what I was talking about, only to expand as it’s sort of interesting

I know way more about Journalism than I’ll ever let on but Watergate was a sea change in the US for Journalism. 

  During Vietnam college enrolment increased greatly. Then Woodward and Bernstein, celebrity journalists that changed the nation, hit and journalism programs exploded with a significantly different student body that had very different expectations and motivations then the generations prior. The J schools adapted the programs, changed emphasis and it started a march towards communication, broadcasting, public relations, social media et al combining into a giant spin blitz to grab eyes. It followed media, technology and generational trends. The Me generation took over journalism and many of the old standards and divisions of purpose were abandoned.

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2 hours ago, Kamarag said:

I'm going to file this under "Who the hell cares?" It's not like there's a hall of busts in a museum that millions visit on a yearly basis, it's a photo on wall and a list on a website. They'll get rid of him eventually, as they should, but I'm really struggling to figure out why this is such a hit-button issue for some folks when there are way more important things to be doing.

The victims feel strongly about it, albeit it may just be a symbolic gesture.  They’ve gone so long without any kind of justice.  

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38 minutes ago, cowtown said:

Never saw that movie

The Post is well worth watching, especially for someone interested in journalism. It pairs nicely not only with All the President's Men but also with Spotlight.

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31 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:

The victims feel strongly about it, albeit it may just be a symbolic gesture.  They’ve gone so long without any kind of justice.  

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Optics do matter in these situations, and while I can understand a full removal may need to wait, couldn't there be a temporary removal pending investigation? This would take the victims' allegations seriously while at the same time showing this is not a knee jerk reaction. 

What does surprise me is that some Hall of Famers have not demanded it. Some of those folks are pretty upright and not exactly fans of the former director of the Cadets. 

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11 minutes ago, Tim K said:

Optics do matter in these situations, and while I can understand a full removal may need to wait, couldn't there be a temporary removal pending investigation? This would take the victims' allegations seriously while at the same time showing this is not a knee jerk reaction. 

What does surprise me is that some Hall of Famers have not demanded it. Some of those folks are pretty upright and not exactly fans of the former director of the Cadets. 

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It shouldn't be about whether someone is a fan of him or anyone else. I get exactly what you are saying BUT there are many out there who feel just like that, his influence in the activity, etc etc...that part is meaningless.

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2 hours ago, N.E. Brigand said:

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Where is Boss Jim Gettys when we need him???  :tongue:

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