Rocketman Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 18 hours ago, GREENBLUE said: Just saw a video. My first look. Im in disbelief that this is the Madison Scouts. Sorry. What were the designers thinking? Wow. This show might not make Friday night. Actually, I'm confident that it will not make finals. This design is 10 years behind the time (IMO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, HockeyDad said: It’s pretty clear to me he wants to pin blame for present problems on the alumni. And thereby absolve CK and DP of responsibility. Pretty much the opposite of the Cadets situation. Whereas I, on the other hand, see very close parallels to Cadets. Alumni who want to be involved and productively helpful but being pushed away. Very different from ....”and you must do it this way....”. Where that’s coming from I don’t know. Speculation perhaps. Or a very small sample size. hardly. I've said lots of stuff about administrative decisions or hires. But the staff does feel pressured by never ending demands to be "Madison". I also know several alumni and they speak these very things I mention Edited June 27, 2019 by Jeff Ream 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Stu said: This is DCP. This was tame. Wait until Jeff Ream jumps at ya!!!! 😋 i pointed it out nicely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, LabMaster said: Ah he's losing his jump after 2 million posts. no the day job is really nuts right now...bleeding well over into night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: i pointed it out nicely! That's only because Tinkerbell shirt you bought at Disney, and are now wearing I might add, is still new and your snark is muted. Wait a few weeks and we will be once again be singing, "When the Snark Bites..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stu said: That's only because Tinkerbell shirt you bought at Disney, and are now wearing I might add, is still new and your snark is muted. Wait a few weeks and we will be once again be singing, "When the Snark Bites..." i have two words for you....would you like to buy a vowel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Guitar1974 Posted June 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rocketman said: Actually, I'm confident that it will not make finals. This design is 10 years behind the time (IMO). In Hamilton on Tuesday I think it is an accurate statement that Scouts were the fan favorite behind Bluecoats. Scouts definitely had the most crowd response behind Coats, and my small cross section of people I took to the show loved Scouts show and this ranged from adults to middle school kids. What they liked most, in no particular order: the way they took the field- marched instead of walked to opening set; the collapsing box drill at end of opener (very cool!); the uniforms; the music; the loud/lush orchestration in the closing chords. Old school elements that always please. I know the show is dirty, but I liked how they stood out with something that- ironic since it is dated/old school- is very different from everyone else. We liked all the corps, but honestly Colts/Spirit/Cadets were interchangeable in many regards. They seemed very “same”.... same dark look, same angsty style, similar costumes, etc. Scouts and Bluecoats were the only corps there that had a unique identity. Sure Scouts are young and green, and the show is dirty, but give the guys a break already... I was just happy to see a glimpse of the old Madison mystique back. Whether they make finals or not, at least they are doing something bold and unique, and they have a “brand” and personality. My .02, but my opinion seemed to be shared by many in Hamilton. Even after getting beat (badly) on the scoreboard at that show my 13 year old son, when asked where he would someday want to march, said he’d pick Scouts to march second to Bluecoats because, in his words, “Scouts are just cool.” I hope the Scouts hear this kind of feedback instead of just all the constant negativity. Edited June 27, 2019 by Guitar1974 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine White Russians Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 6 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: this may sting but....outside the Carmen show year...Madison hasn't truly been relevant since 1999. After missing finals in 2002, they were top 6 once. since 2000 out of finals 5 times, average placement is 10.8. A popular telling of why the slide, while incorrect, is that it started after Scott left. Well no, it started before he left. And the best year since 2000 is one of two with a female in it ( and no I am not advocating for coed status). The organization...admin, alumni...all need to come together and agree being Madison for the sake of Madison, which pretty every show listed, has been a noose slowly circling their necks, and it's time to just go nuts, entice top names to come in, and design for what works today. Vanguard has managed to maintain being Vanguard without relying on the past. Their worst placement ever was what 9th? I agree with everyting you just said, mostly the part about attracting the top staff. I believe if you do that, you can have it both ways....design something that wins and is "Madison" in spirit. The huge problem is, Madison has not been able to raise and maintain the finances necessary to attract andkeep said talent. They really need to observe and figure out what Corps like Boston and Mandarins did to build themselves up to where they could make those successful moves. I do not believe Chris Komnick is the person qualified to do that. We gave him ten years to try, and aside from the Mason years (which Komnick gets too much credit for), he has failed to achieve success. It's time for him to leave and let some new, more qualified blood to come in. My dream/fantasy is he leaves, and Jim Mason comes back....but this time as Executive Director. He knows how to run a successful Corps, build finances and get people who are professional fundraisers....and how to hire the right people under him like Donnie VanDoren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: i have two words for you....would you like to buy a vowel? There you are!!! Welcome Back! And to answer your question; no, I have already had my vowel movement for today. But thanks for asking! "Whistle while you work....". All seriousness, I do hope you had a great time with the kiddos. At some point as we age we won't be able to do that anymore, and we need to relish it while we still can. And I do mean that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Brian Tuma said: Scouts tried to break the mold with their 2017 show and these same people were freaking out. Change! Oh, but not like that. I actually admired their attempt. That was a great show, IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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