2019 Phantom Regiment

[kdaddy]

13 minutes ago, billj said:

This isn't a fair assessment, and it's also an oversimplification. 

And on any corps' thread, the "fire person x" and "hire person y" gets old. 

How is it not fair? The post was about providing feedback regarding complaints by alums, donors, and fans, and I would largely say that the complaints can be summed up as "the shows have been lacking GE for several years," whether it comes from music, visual, storyline, props, instruction, or any other source.

And in what ways is it oversimplified? I don't argue that it is, but in what ways?

As for fire X and hire Y getting old, that's kind of my point. I don't see what kind of feedback most folks can really provide other than that. 

[xandandl]

2 minutes ago, kdaddy said:

How is it not fair? The post was about providing feedback regarding complaints by alums, donors, and fans, and I would largely say that the complaints can be summed up as "the shows have been lacking GE for several years," whether it comes from music, visual, storyline, props, instruction, or any other source.

And in what ways is it oversimplified? I don't argue that it is, but in what ways?

As for fire X and hire Y getting old, that's kind of my point. I don't see what kind of feedback most folks can really provide other than that. 

What did I do?

[kdaddy]

21 minutes ago, xandandl said:

What did I do?

You're just not as good as Y. I'm sorry you had to hear that from me...

[PRomoter]

2 hours ago, billj said:

I know of a few times over the years that corps publically solicited ideas for music or themes, but is it realistic to expect any world class corps to accept feedback from a group of people not on staff? The staff is watching and hearing things every day, in addition to getting judge's feedback several times a week. What additional, useful information could they possibly get from others?

This is in no way meant as disrespectful to you. Do you think perhaps your response is exactly the kind of attitude you are accusing the leadership of having? I have learned over the years that my successes have been directly linked to my ability and interest in building relationships with my team. Those of us who volunteer and financially support the corps are an integral part of the team, and our voices should be sought out in a healthy relationship. Let’s not assume they are disinterested. Maybe they just want answers and good suggestions rather than a list of complaints and gripes.

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[billj]

1 hour ago, kdaddy said:

How is it not fair? The post was about providing feedback regarding complaints by alums, donors, and fans, and I would largely say that the complaints can be summed up as "the shows have been lacking GE for several years," whether it comes from music, visual, storyline, props, instruction, or any other source.

And in what ways is it oversimplified? I don't argue that it is, but in what ways?

As for fire X and hire Y getting old, that's kind of my point. I don't see what kind of feedback most folks can really provide other than that. 

Saying "go get some GE" is an oversimplification. As if you can hire a GE specialist. 

Does anyone really know what GE is (and no, I don't need a link to scoring rubric)? It's subjective at best, and political at worst. I've never figured out how GE has been scored over many years. All know is, the 'rules' are always changing. 

And, thus, I don't care much about the scores or placements. Many times the placement order isn't what I think it should be. I haven't stayed for the score announcements at a show in many years. I go for the performances, and not the figure skating style scoring. 

For what it's worth, I think Regiment should be scoring higher in GE this year.

[billj]

17 minutes ago, PRomoter said:

This is in no way meant as disrespectful to you. Do you think perhaps your response is exactly the kind of attitude you are accusing the leadership of having? I have learned over the years that my successes have been directly linked to my ability and interest in building relationships with my team. Those of us who volunteer and financially support the corps are an integral part of the team, and our voices should be sought out in a healthy relationship. Let’s not assume they are disinterested. Maybe they just want answers and good suggestions rather than a list of complaints and gripes.

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Fair question. My response didn't intend to portray a "we don't need any help or input from anyone' 'attitude' as you call it. I was mostly referring to during the season, that most corps probably have plenty of input from the people they need input from. BUT if a qualified (emphasis: qualified) person offers input or assistance, then it should be considered, when possible.

In the off-season, if QUALIFIED individuals offer input on other things, like fund raising and other operational aspects, great. I'm not so sure on the design side as much only because people are hired to do that.

In the end, though, I doubt any corps has a 24x7x365 direct hotline to the leadership, design staff, or instructional staff, nor should there be. Too many cooks spoil the... show.

 

 

[kdaddy]

19 minutes ago, billj said:

Saying "go get some GE" is an oversimplification. As if you can hire a GE specialist. 

1. If you think there aren't people who know how to produce effect, then you aren't watching drum corps. Call them "GE specialist" or "Michael Townsend" or "Michael Gaines" or whatever you want to call them. 

2. It's clear that they aren't in the employ of the Phantom Regiment. 

I agree that "hiring a team of designers to produce more effective shows" isn't easy. But what is easy is seeing that such a team is not currently in place. And that when an opportunity presented itself to make changes after a widely poorly regarded show last year, few changes were made (and the change that was made was a drill designer who was apparently let go during the season this year!). 

For what it's worth, I'm really not into suggesting that people in this industry be fired, so long as everyone understands that if the current set of designers stays in place, a similar product (and results) will occur. And my original comments were in the context of providing feedback... what kind of feedback is "GE sucks" or "hire a different designer"?

[xandandl]

2 hours ago, kdaddy said:

You're just not as good as Y. I'm sorry you had to hear that from me...

😠

[billj]

1 hour ago, kdaddy said:

1. If you think there aren't people who know how to produce effect, then you aren't watching drum corps. Call them "GE specialist" or "Michael Townsend" or "Michael Gaines" or whatever you want to call them. 

2. It's clear that they aren't in the employ of the Phantom Regiment. 

I agree that "hiring a team of designers to produce more effective shows" isn't easy. But what is easy is seeing that such a team is not currently in place. And that when an opportunity presented itself to make changes after a widely poorly regarded show last year, few changes were made (and the change that was made was a drill designer who was apparently let go during the season this year!). 

For what it's worth, I'm really not into suggesting that people in this industry be fired, so long as everyone understands that if the current set of designers stays in place, a similar product (and results) will occur. And my original comments were in the context of providing feedback... what kind of feedback is "GE sucks" or "hire a different designer"?

I don't think it's so easy (seeing ...)

The feedback seems to boil down down to: bring in one of a handful of people/staff.

To be honest, as much as I love Gaine's drills from the past, and as much as I'm glad SCV won a title and has been at the top the last few years, I'm not so excited about the visual direction he's taking things (less drill, more props).

[PRomoter]

Anyone seen if they’ve finished the ending yet? Also, saw Joan going up in smoke in Atlanta video.

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