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3 hours ago, OhioBoy_99 said:

I would have to agree with that. To me at least, Crown uses the same lay out from season to season to point where it gets hard to decipher from one year to the next. Now that is not saying there shows are exactly the same from one year to another, but you can tell a Crown show when you see and hear it. As for Bloo, I can't say that any of their show have even remotely been similar from season to season for the past 5 years with the exception of MAYBE Jagged Line compared to Downside Up. And this is no hate whatsoever because Crown has been my favorite corps outside of Bloo!

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Also, Tilt 5.0 was the lesser of the Tilt saga in my opinion.

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3 hours ago, MikeRapp said:

I think Bluecoats wouldn’t do Babylon because it’s not in their entertainment line of design thinking. Scv could definitely do Session 44 and it would probably be awesome.

Imagine Crown doing Session 44. I mean obviously they have the talent to do it, but I feel like they would insist on sticking their standard triple tonguing arrangements into the middle of the show, or stand out drum features, that would not make sense at all.

I would love to see blue Devils do session 44. They would kill it. But again, would they insist on over designing that show with all kinds of details that don’t fit the concept?

I don't think BD ever has details that don't fit the concept. But they often do put in details where the relevance isn't clear until after a few reads or an explanation. So I get what you're saying 

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3 hours ago, MikeRapp said:

Curious about what the rut is that Bluecoats is in. Of all the corps, they have been by far the most divergent from one season to the next, style wise. 

You could listen to Crown from one season to the next and copy and paste arrangement passages and not miss anything.

Every successful Creative venture has their way of approaching creative solutions. This is true in every idiom. Movie directors, script writers, ad agencies, software developers, illustrators. Bluecoats has a clear creative path, so does Blue Devils. To deny that Crown doesn’t go back to the same well over and over again is just confirmation bias. Even Klesch would be the first to say there is a way he approaches brass arrangements and styling that is unique to him in dci.

I'm with you there on Crown. I've found their shows usually have the general thread of: happy/neutral opener, some sort of adversity in the next movement, a love story or something sad in the ballad, and then an overcoming of the adversity with a happy ending and a Bb chord. 

That's not necessarily a bad thing, it's their identity. But it does play into your point

I do think Bloo got into a bit of a rut in 2017 but they came out with something very fresh this year 

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3 hours ago, MikeRapp said:

Thats exactly what I am talking about, arrangements. Crown relies on predictable brass arrangements and builds around those ideas. Not the other way around. Blue Devils has done similar things over the past decade, it has been my criticism of them as well. The standard big brass openings could almost be copied and pasted from one show to another.

You can decide whether that is good or not good, but any reasonably honest musician could listen to the last five Crown shows and pick out the same arrangement and playing concepts over and over again.

Yep BD is similar to Crown in that they have very similar musical ideas year to year. Similar chord structure, similar chord resolutions, even similar percussion transitions. 

Though I'd say thematically BD has the greatest variance of any corps out there 

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5 hours ago, flammaster said:

Bluecoats really push the bar creatively while Crown relies on gimmickry.....

In 2017 the opposite case was true.  You can’t look at one single season to define the entire body of work for a particular corps.

Lighten up. 

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4 hours ago, queenanne_1536 said:

Whenever I see Bluecoats and Crown, I think they are the new Madison and Regiment. If I had been away from the activity since the 90s and watched and someone told me Bluecoats were Madison and Regiment were Crown, I'd believe it. Of course, I'd also have to believe Madison went coed.

I agree with you 100%. I wasn't around in the 80s but I love jagged line and session 44 so much and I think that sound is the closest I will ever get to old school Madison...which I love. Of course you would have to bring back G bugles

I also noticed a shift from 09-13 where the best of the best for brass talent was migrating to Crown and Phantom just didn't sound the same.

I love Bluecoats and Crown so much.

 

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I think you are all opening up a huge can of worms when you talk about what other corps are capable or not capable of playing the top shows.

 

I do think it's cool to picture a top group playing a lower scoring show. I would love to see crown do ...that one second or the Cavaliers do MCDC from this year.

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Just now, ThePlanets said:

I think you are all opening up a huge can of worms when you talk about what other corps are capable or not capable of playing the top shows.

 

I do think it's cool to picture a top group playing a lower scoring show. I would love to see crown do ...that one second or the Cavaliers do MCDC from this year.

With all the talk about Mandarins passing Phantom at Semis, it admittedly got me thinking "Would Phantom, a corps that likely has more talented members than the Mandarins, be able to pull off and score much higher with Mandarins' show?"

It is a can of worms, but interesting to think about

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I don't understand you guys about Bluecoats.

As far as I'm concerned, they have done the exact same show twice in a row.

And as far as complaining about arrangements.

A trained ear in classical music can listen to a piece of music and tell you who wrote it without having heard it before. For example, just the other day I listened to some piece and thought it sounded like Robert Schumann and it was. 

Does that mean I can criticise him because it's a similar style? No of course not. So why do you complain about the music arrangers of certain corps? They have their distinct styles that make them different. Same with drill designers. 

Do they have to all of a sudden forget what they know and start all over as a different person from year to year?

My God, of all the things to complain about over DCI, someone would choose to complain that these highly skilled and professional arrangers are not innovative enough to put something absolutely new and fresh out year after year.

They don't make a whole lot of money either, you know. 

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4 hours ago, BoyWonder1911 said:

Bluecoats have done jazz with giant props pretty much 3 years in a row now.

Crown has gone from Mahler, to rock, to Western, Beethoven, Einstein/Glass, no idea what this year's music came from, but they're all over the place. 

Maybe arrangements by one brass arranger has similarities in writing style from year to year, but that's to be expected. 

And as far as being able to tell what corps is doing what show.

If someone were to tell me all of the show titles for the top 12 corps, I bet I could match each show title with their corps without knowing beforehand who is doing what. 

 

Interesting that you are broad brushing "jazz" on the Bluecoats description but you are willing to dissect "classical" into diverse segments for Crown.

 

For example, I'd like to hear about all of the "jazz" selections in Jagged Line.

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