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I've heard that being World Class means guaranteed payment for performances. What are the details on that? I thought about posting the questions in the Pioneer thread but a new thread might be better.

Specifically:

1) When a group of world class corps perform at a show, do they all get paid an equal amount of money? Is there a difference from top to bottom?

2) If an open class corps performs at the same event, do they get something? How about all open class shows, do they get something?

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WC corps each have a performance fee that is guaranteed by the DCI contract. It used to have a sliding scale depending on placement the previous year, but they may have gotten rid of that a couple years ago. OC corps are not  paid, last I checked, but they could presumably try to negotiate something with a show sponsor, if they wanted.

WC corps also receive a split from DCI's net at the end of the season, based on a somewhat arcane formula that most people can't quite explain.Regardless, the amount of money most WC corps see from their DCI performances is south of $120k per season - a fraction of what it costs to compete at that level.

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29 minutes ago, Slingerland said:

Regardless, the amount of money most WC corps see from their DCI performances is south of $120k per season - a fraction of what it costs to compete at that level.

That's interesting, I thought it would be more. If that's the case, expecting to rake in the dough alone would not be a reason to go world class (I realize there's many pros and cons).

Conversely, doesn't that imply that if a corps in world class had money woes, they may solve them by going to the open class?

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46 minutes ago, Slingerland said:

the amount of money most WC corps see from their DCI performances is south of $120k per season - a fraction of what it costs to compete at that level.

Don't scoff - there's at least one lower-end World Class corps for whom $120,000 would mean 1/5 of their yearly income (based on 2015 Form 990).  I don't know if they actually get anywhere near $120,000 from appearance fees, but if that number is accurate, that's a fairly large chunk of their income, compared to $0 appearance fees if they were open.

Edit:  $120,000 would be over 30% of another certain World Class corps' annual income, based upon 2016 Form 990

Edit:  Heck, that amount is still 10% of a certain World Class FINALIST corps's annual income, based upon 2016 Form 990

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38 minutes ago, Eleran said:

Don't scoff - there's at least one lower-end World Class corps for whom $120,000 would mean 1/5 of their yearly income (based on 2015 Form 990).  I don't know if they actually get anywhere near $120,000 from appearance fees, but if that number is accurate, that's a fairly large chunk of their income, compared to $0 appearance fees if they were open.

Edit:  $120,000 would be over 30% of another certain World Class corps' annual income, based upon 2016 Form 990

Edit:  Heck, that amount is still 10% of a certain World Class FINALIST corps's annual income, based upon 2016 Form 990

Those ar indeed all fractions of their income. lol

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2 hours ago, Eleran said:

 

Edit:  Heck, that amount is still 10% of a certain World Class FINALIST corps's annual income, based upon 2016 Form 990

Most art-oriented non-profits aim for 50 to 60% of their revenues to be generated by appearance fees or ticket sales. By that standard, the amount WC corps realize from performance fee/DCI splits are tiny. The big dogs make as much or more on souvenir sales.

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2 hours ago, Eleran said:

Don't scoff - there's at least one lower-end World Class corps for whom $120,000 would mean 1/5 of their yearly income (based on 2015 Form 990).  I don't know if they actually get anywhere near $120,000 from appearance fees, but if that number is accurate, that's a fairly large chunk of their income, compared to $0 appearance fees if they were open.

Edit:  $120,000 would be over 30% of another certain World Class corps' annual income, based upon 2016 Form 990

Edit:  Heck, that amount is still 10% of a certain World Class FINALIST corps's annual income, based upon 2016 Form 990

one world class corps (very low end of the division) has 1/5 of their yearly revenue come from performance fees...and its not nearly quoted as above. 

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5 hours ago, kkrepps said:

I've heard that being World Class means guaranteed payment for performances. What are the details on that? I thought about posting the questions in the Pioneer thread but a new thread might be better.

Specifically:

1) When a group of world class corps perform at a show, do they all get paid an equal amount of money? Is there a difference from top to bottom?

2) If an open class corps performs at the same event, do they get something? How about all open class shows, do they get something?

there's a tiered system for payouts for WC based on placement. OC does get paid if allowed to perform at a WC show, but it's a minimum number. Open Class is pretty much a "you come to ours, we'll come to yours"

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Maybe this will answer the OP questions.  (Apologies for formatting - technology is not cooperating today.)

Summary - all corps pay and other funds paid out from DCI to individual corps

Rates listed are the standards in place for the 2017 season.

Appearance Fees – corps are paid for event performances based on the following scales:

World Class:

·         Standard rate: $2,600 per event.

·         Standard non-member rate: $1,800 per event. Used for a corps who is participating on the World Class tour but is not a full voting member.

·         Standard rate for events designated as “Tour of Champions”: $5,000 per event.

Open Class:

·         Standard rate for contracted tour events – mixed events with primarily World Class corps: $1,100 for Open Class Finalist and $700 for Non-Finalist. (Non-finalists include locally based groups that do not travel to Championships.) New or re-emerging corps receive $0 in their first year.

·         Standard rate for contracted tour events – Open Class events: appearance fees vary. Pay is based on a pool of payout dollars generated from the specific contracts (Total contract value less Admin fees) and is shared by the corps appearing in those contracted events.

All Age: Standard – a mixture of rates, some of which are grandfathered in from old pay scales – typically ranging from $0 to $500 but may be as high as $1,700 for a top DCA level finalist.

Allocation pool – Pool created out of DCI revenue distributed to World Class member corps based on a formula (see below). All active World Class member corps receive a portion of the pool. The amount of the pool is determined during the annual Budget & Planning cycle and approved by the Board.

The stated intent of the Allocation pool system is to reward both historical contributions of individual corps as well as “marketability” based on recent results. A summary of the steps in the formula:

·         The formula includes all placements from 1972 to the present.

o   Eligible placements are: current World Class, former Division I or original Open Class Top 25. Corps that are temporarily inactive continue to be included in the pool calculations.

o   Not included: Any placements for corps outside of the Top 25 or any Class A/Class A-60/ Division II & III / new Open Class or any All Age groups. Also not included: any World Class corps who have gone inactive or move out of the World Class for an extended period of time.

·         Based on the placements, points are awarded on scales that combine similar competitive ranges. For 1972 through 2001 (30 years), a placement of 1 – 6 earns 40 points, 7 – 12 earns 30 points, 13 – 17 earns 5 points, 18 and above do not earn points. From 2002 to the present, the points were expanded at the lower levels so that 13 – 17 earns 15 points and 18 – 21 earns 5 points. 22nd + remain at 0 points.

·         Each year’s placements are weighted. 1972 = 1; 1973 = 2, 1974 = 3 and so on. The most recent 3 years are “super weighted” at a rate of 100 / 150 / 150.

·         A cumulative number of points are calculated for each corps. The ratio of the number of an individual corps’ point total compared to the grand total of all corps is the percentage used when paying out the total pool. For example: if a corps’ point total equals 5% of the total of all points, then that corps will receive 5% of the funds in the allocation pool.

Championships – pay based on final placement:

Finalist (1 – 12) $8,500; 13 – 17 $6,500; 18 – 21 $4,000; 22+ $2,150

Note: if an Open Class corps places higher than a World Class corps in a mixed event such as Prelims; the World Class pay is not reduced; it is determined by placement within the World Class.

Championships – mileage – a pool of $50,000 allocated based on the number of miles from a corps’ home base of operation to that year’s Championship location. Payout eligibility: World Class member corps.

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