CorpsRelic Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Thank you Cixesyd. Are these Very Impressive and specific details made public somewhere? I give you a Gold Star for your research. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, cixelsyd said: Maybe this will answer the OP questions. (Apologies for formatting - technology is not cooperating today.) Summary - all corps pay and other funds paid out from DCI to individual corps Rates listed are the standards in place for the 2017 season. Appearance Fees – corps are paid for event performances based on the following scales: World Class: · Standard rate: $2,600 per event. · Standard non-member rate: $1,800 per event. Used for a corps who is participating on the World Class tour but is not a full voting member. · Standard rate for events designated as “Tour of Champions”: $5,000 per event. Open Class: · Standard rate for contracted tour events – mixed events with primarily World Class corps: $1,100 for Open Class Finalist and $700 for Non-Finalist. (Non-finalists include locally based groups that do not travel to Championships.) New or re-emerging corps receive $0 in their first year. · Standard rate for contracted tour events – Open Class events: appearance fees vary. Pay is based on a pool of payout dollars generated from the specific contracts (Total contract value less Admin fees) and is shared by the corps appearing in those contracted events. All Age: Standard – a mixture of rates, some of which are grandfathered in from old pay scales – typically ranging from $0 to $500 but may be as high as $1,700 for a top DCA level finalist. Allocation pool – Pool created out of DCI revenue distributed to World Class member corps based on a formula (see below). All active World Class member corps receive a portion of the pool. The amount of the pool is determined during the annual Budget & Planning cycle and approved by the Board. The stated intent of the Allocation pool system is to reward both historical contributions of individual corps as well as “marketability” based on recent results. A summary of the steps in the formula: · The formula includes all placements from 1972 to the present. o Eligible placements are: current World Class, former Division I or original Open Class Top 25. Corps that are temporarily inactive continue to be included in the pool calculations. o Not included: Any placements for corps outside of the Top 25 or any Class A/Class A-60/ Division II & III / new Open Class or any All Age groups. Also not included: any World Class corps who have gone inactive or move out of the World Class for an extended period of time. · Based on the placements, points are awarded on scales that combine similar competitive ranges. For 1972 through 2001 (30 years), a placement of 1 – 6 earns 40 points, 7 – 12 earns 30 points, 13 – 17 earns 5 points, 18 and above do not earn points. From 2002 to the present, the points were expanded at the lower levels so that 13 – 17 earns 15 points and 18 – 21 earns 5 points. 22nd + remain at 0 points. · Each year’s placements are weighted. 1972 = 1; 1973 = 2, 1974 = 3 and so on. The most recent 3 years are “super weighted” at a rate of 100 / 150 / 150. · A cumulative number of points are calculated for each corps. The ratio of the number of an individual corps’ point total compared to the grand total of all corps is the percentage used when paying out the total pool. For example: if a corps’ point total equals 5% of the total of all points, then that corps will receive 5% of the funds in the allocation pool. Championships – pay based on final placement: Finalist (1 – 12) $8,500; 13 – 17 $6,500; 18 – 21 $4,000; 22+ $2,150 Note: if an Open Class corps places higher than a World Class corps in a mixed event such as Prelims; the World Class pay is not reduced; it is determined by placement within the World Class. Championships – mileage – a pool of $50,000 allocated based on the number of miles from a corps’ home base of operation to that year’s Championship location. Payout eligibility: World Class member corps. Every time I read this I'm impressed with the numbers-dexterity of the authors. Really impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 13 hours ago, Slingerland said: WC corps also receive a split from DCI's net at the end of the season, based on a somewhat arcane formula that most people can't quite explain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 OK, somebody suss out a recent year's DCI allocation pool, and we can use the formulas in cixelsyd's fantastic post to do a breakdown by corps that year. Or if someone knows the figure for any one corps, we ought to be able to work backwards to the pool number, and then proceed. (Surely a number of people here already keep spreadsheets showing placement/score by year that could pretty quickly be adapted for the formula.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrownBariDad Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 20 hours ago, Slingerland said: Most art-oriented non-profits aim for 50 to 60% of their revenues to be generated by appearance fees or ticket sales. By that standard, the amount WC corps realize from performance fee/DCI splits are tiny. The big dogs make as much or more on souvenir sales. Don't forget about MM tuition and the all important fundraisers/donations. Many Corps have "Sponor a Meal", "Sponor a Bus Seat", and "Purchase a New <equipment>" fundraisers every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleran Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 In the interest of getting some actual facts out there (albeit dated, in some cases), I've downloaded the financial reports from Guidestar (the free version, not the premium version), and below is a chart of the 40 corps from this year's championships, their 2018 placement, the year of their most recent Form 990 on Guidestar, their revenues reported for that year, and any "Loans & Notes" listed under liabilities. This is all publicly available data, and can be obtained for free by anyone. Caveats: I am not an accountant. To the extent I may have misstated anything herein, or to the extent the below does not present an accurate picture of a corps' current finances, I welcome any corps (or anyone more knowledgeable about these) to offer corrective or updated information. Mostly, I did not review the individual 990s for each corps, but took the info from the Guidestar report of the 990 data Most of the 990s are 2-3 years old, and some corps have undergone substantial changes in that time With regard to the Loans & Notes, those numbers sometimes fluctuated greatly from year to year, so the numbers may not be representative of a corps' present situation Many of the 990s are for the parent organization, which may encompass several different programs, each with their own separate revenues and expenses (eg. - Santa Clara, Blue Devils, Cadets, Colts, etc., have more than one corps; Cadets' also includes the USBands circuit; etc.) some corps may have additional sources of revenue that are not reported on their 990, such as an alumni or "friends of" group that may buy things directly for the corps' benefit (eg. they might buy food and supplied for the corps on the road; Shadow is supported by a school district, in addition to the Oregon Band Boosters; etc.) Corps 2018 990 Year Income Loans&Notes Santa Clara Vanguard 1 2016 $4,586,872 ($518,614) Blue Devils 2 2015 $3,341,991 $0 Bluecoats 3 2016 $2,073,202 ($621,091) Carolina Crown 4 2015 $2,314,264 ($379,719) Boston Crusaders 5 2016 $2,855,336 ($1,676,811) Cavaliers 6 2016 $1,221,329 ($168,668) Cadets 7 2015 $5,442,229 ($430,741) Blue Stars 8 2016 $1,318,407 ($367,353) Blue Knights 9 2016 $1,644,938 ($72,412) Mandarins 10 2015 $819,467 $0 Phantom Regiment 11 2016 $1,313,707 ($46,224) Crossmen 12 2016 $1,279,912 ($66,752) Spirit of Atlanta 13 2016 $924,113 ($170,868) Colts 14 2017 $1,560,621 ($290,034) Academy 15 2015 $887,181 $0 Madison Scouts 16 2017 $1,206,904 ($253,167) Troopers 17 2016 $905,448 ($368,174) Vanguard Cadets 18 see above Blue Devils B 19 see above Pacific Crest 20 2015 $1,020,506 ($10,430) Music City 21 2016 $483,964 ($25,000) Oregon Crusaders 22 2016 $864,067 ($113,063) Gold 23 2015 $316,056 $0 Genesis 24 2016 $575,100 $0 Spartans 25 2017 $629,834 ($21,746) Legends 26 2012 $464,945 ($198,743) Seattle Cascades 27 2016 $580,836 $0 7th Regiment 28 2016 $258,923 $0 Guardians 29 could not locate Jersey Surf 30 2015 $612,791 $0 Louisiana Stars 31 2016 $318,032 $0 River City Rhythym 32 2015 $296,473 $0 Southwind 33 2015 $199,985 ($13,820) Jubal 34 n/a Golden Empire 35 part of Bakersfield College Foundation Pioneer 36 2016 $381,126 $0 Shadow 37 2016 $305,379 $0 Colt Cadets 38 see above Raiders 39 2016 $253,755 ($23,500) Heat Wave 40 2015 $74,271 $0 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Nice job E. We see Battalion hasn't made the list. Maybe they haven't been active long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleran Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ghost said: Nice job E. We see Battalion hasn't made the list. Maybe they haven't been active long enough. I only looked up the 40 that competed at 2018 Championships in Indy. I don't think Battalion competed there, did they? Edit: Battalion - 2017 - $317, 096 revenues - $0 loans Edited August 15, 2018 by Eleran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 23 hours ago, cixelsyd said: Maybe this will answer the OP questions. (Apologies for formatting - technology is not cooperating today.) Summary - all corps pay and other funds paid out from DCI to individual corps Rates listed are the standards in place for the 2017 season. Appearance Fees – corps are paid for event performances based on the following scales: World Class: · Standard rate: $2,600 per event. · Standard non-member rate: $1,800 per event. Used for a corps who is participating on the World Class tour but is not a full voting member. · Standard rate for events designated as “Tour of Champions”: $5,000 per event. Open Class: · Standard rate for contracted tour events – mixed events with primarily World Class corps: $1,100 for Open Class Finalist and $700 for Non-Finalist. (Non-finalists include locally based groups that do not travel to Championships.) New or re-emerging corps receive $0 in their first year. · Standard rate for contracted tour events – Open Class events: appearance fees vary. Pay is based on a pool of payout dollars generated from the specific contracts (Total contract value less Admin fees) and is shared by the corps appearing in those contracted events. All Age: Standard – a mixture of rates, some of which are grandfathered in from old pay scales – typically ranging from $0 to $500 but may be as high as $1,700 for a top DCA level finalist. Allocation pool – Pool created out of DCI revenue distributed to World Class member corps based on a formula (see below). All active World Class member corps receive a portion of the pool. The amount of the pool is determined during the annual Budget & Planning cycle and approved by the Board. The stated intent of the Allocation pool system is to reward both historical contributions of individual corps as well as “marketability” based on recent results. A summary of the steps in the formula: · The formula includes all placements from 1972 to the present. o Eligible placements are: current World Class, former Division I or original Open Class Top 25. Corps that are temporarily inactive continue to be included in the pool calculations. o Not included: Any placements for corps outside of the Top 25 or any Class A/Class A-60/ Division II & III / new Open Class or any All Age groups. Also not included: any World Class corps who have gone inactive or move out of the World Class for an extended period of time. · Based on the placements, points are awarded on scales that combine similar competitive ranges. For 1972 through 2001 (30 years), a placement of 1 – 6 earns 40 points, 7 – 12 earns 30 points, 13 – 17 earns 5 points, 18 and above do not earn points. From 2002 to the present, the points were expanded at the lower levels so that 13 – 17 earns 15 points and 18 – 21 earns 5 points. 22nd + remain at 0 points. · Each year’s placements are weighted. 1972 = 1; 1973 = 2, 1974 = 3 and so on. The most recent 3 years are “super weighted” at a rate of 100 / 150 / 150. · A cumulative number of points are calculated for each corps. The ratio of the number of an individual corps’ point total compared to the grand total of all corps is the percentage used when paying out the total pool. For example: if a corps’ point total equals 5% of the total of all points, then that corps will receive 5% of the funds in the allocation pool. Championships – pay based on final placement: Finalist (1 – 12) $8,500; 13 – 17 $6,500; 18 – 21 $4,000; 22+ $2,150 Note: if an Open Class corps places higher than a World Class corps in a mixed event such as Prelims; the World Class pay is not reduced; it is determined by placement within the World Class. Championships – mileage – a pool of $50,000 allocated based on the number of miles from a corps’ home base of operation to that year’s Championship location. Payout eligibility: World Class member corps. thank you!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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