Flow of the dough (not to be confused with Flo)

[CorpsRelic]

Thank you Cixesyd.  Are these Very Impressive and specific details made public somewhere? I give you a Gold Star for your research.

 

[garfield]

1 hour ago, cixelsyd said:

Maybe this will answer the OP questions.  (Apologies for formatting - technology is not cooperating today.)

Summary - all corps pay and other funds paid out from DCI to individual corps

Rates listed are the standards in place for the 2017 season.

Appearance Fees – corps are paid for event performances based on the following scales:

World Class:

·         Standard rate: $2,600 per event.

·         Standard non-member rate: $1,800 per event. Used for a corps who is participating on the World Class tour but is not a full voting member.

·         Standard rate for events designated as “Tour of Champions”: $5,000 per event.

Open Class:

·         Standard rate for contracted tour events – mixed events with primarily World Class corps: $1,100 for Open Class Finalist and $700 for Non-Finalist. (Non-finalists include locally based groups that do not travel to Championships.) New or re-emerging corps receive $0 in their first year.

·         Standard rate for contracted tour events – Open Class events: appearance fees vary. Pay is based on a pool of payout dollars generated from the specific contracts (Total contract value less Admin fees) and is shared by the corps appearing in those contracted events.

All Age: Standard – a mixture of rates, some of which are grandfathered in from old pay scales – typically ranging from $0 to $500 but may be as high as $1,700 for a top DCA level finalist.

Allocation pool – Pool created out of DCI revenue distributed to World Class member corps based on a formula (see below). All active World Class member corps receive a portion of the pool. The amount of the pool is determined during the annual Budget & Planning cycle and approved by the Board.

The stated intent of the Allocation pool system is to reward both historical contributions of individual corps as well as “marketability” based on recent results. A summary of the steps in the formula:

·         The formula includes all placements from 1972 to the present.

o   Eligible placements are: current World Class, former Division I or original Open Class Top 25. Corps that are temporarily inactive continue to be included in the pool calculations.

o   Not included: Any placements for corps outside of the Top 25 or any Class A/Class A-60/ Division II & III / new Open Class or any All Age groups. Also not included: any World Class corps who have gone inactive or move out of the World Class for an extended period of time.

·         Based on the placements, points are awarded on scales that combine similar competitive ranges. For 1972 through 2001 (30 years), a placement of 1 – 6 earns 40 points, 7 – 12 earns 30 points, 13 – 17 earns 5 points, 18 and above do not earn points. From 2002 to the present, the points were expanded at the lower levels so that 13 – 17 earns 15 points and 18 – 21 earns 5 points. 22nd + remain at 0 points.

·         Each year’s placements are weighted. 1972 = 1; 1973 = 2, 1974 = 3 and so on. The most recent 3 years are “super weighted” at a rate of 100 / 150 / 150.

·         A cumulative number of points are calculated for each corps. The ratio of the number of an individual corps’ point total compared to the grand total of all corps is the percentage used when paying out the total pool. For example: if a corps’ point total equals 5% of the total of all points, then that corps will receive 5% of the funds in the allocation pool.

Championships – pay based on final placement:

Finalist (1 – 12) $8,500; 13 – 17 $6,500; 18 – 21 $4,000; 22+ $2,150

Note: if an Open Class corps places higher than a World Class corps in a mixed event such as Prelims; the World Class pay is not reduced; it is determined by placement within the World Class.

Championships – mileage – a pool of $50,000 allocated based on the number of miles from a corps’ home base of operation to that year’s Championship location. Payout eligibility: World Class member corps.

Every time I read this I'm impressed with the numbers-dexterity of the authors.

Really impressive.

 

[BRASSO]

13 hours ago, Slingerland said:

 

WC corps also receive a split from DCI's net at the end of the season, based on a somewhat arcane formula that most people can't quite explain.

  

[N.E. Brigand]

OK, somebody suss out a recent year's DCI allocation pool, and we can use the formulas in cixelsyd's fantastic post to do a breakdown by corps that year.

Or if someone knows the figure for any one corps, we ought to be able to work backwards to the pool number, and then proceed.

(Surely a number of people here already keep spreadsheets showing placement/score by year that could pretty quickly be adapted for the formula.)

[CrownBariDad]

20 hours ago, Slingerland said:

Most art-oriented non-profits aim for 50 to 60% of their revenues to be generated by appearance fees or ticket sales. By that standard, the amount WC corps realize from performance fee/DCI splits are tiny. The big dogs make as much or more on souvenir sales.

Don't forget about MM tuition and the all important fundraisers/donations. Many Corps have "Sponor a Meal", "Sponor a Bus Seat", and "Purchase a New <equipment>" fundraisers every year. 

[Eleran]

In the interest of getting some actual facts out there (albeit dated, in some cases),  I've downloaded the financial reports from Guidestar (the free version, not the premium version), and below is a chart of the 40 corps from this year's championships, their 2018 placement, the year of their most recent Form 990 on Guidestar, their revenues reported for that year, and any "Loans & Notes" listed under liabilities.  This is all publicly available data, and can be obtained for free by anyone.

Caveats: 

• I am not an accountant.  To the extent I may have misstated anything herein, or to the extent the below does not present an accurate picture of a corps' current finances, I welcome any corps (or anyone more knowledgeable about these) to offer corrective or updated information.
• Mostly, I did not review the individual 990s for each corps, but took the info from the Guidestar report of the 990 data
• Most of the 990s are 2-3 years old, and some corps have undergone substantial changes in that time
• With regard to the Loans & Notes, those numbers sometimes fluctuated greatly from year to year, so the numbers may not be representative of a corps' present situation
• Many of the 990s are for the parent organization, which may encompass several different programs, each with their own separate revenues and expenses (eg. - Santa Clara, Blue Devils, Cadets, Colts, etc., have more than one corps; Cadets'  also includes the USBands circuit; etc.)
• some corps may have additional sources of revenue that are not reported on their 990, such as an alumni or "friends of" group that may buy things directly for the corps' benefit (eg. they might buy food and supplied for the corps on the road; Shadow is supported by a school district, in addition to the Oregon Band Boosters; etc.)

Corps	2018	990 Year	Income	Loans&Notes
Santa Clara Vanguard	1	2016	$4,586,872	($518,614)
Blue Devils	2	2015	$3,341,991	$0
Bluecoats	3	2016	$2,073,202	($621,091)
Carolina Crown	4	2015	$2,314,264	($379,719)
Boston Crusaders	5	2016	$2,855,336	($1,676,811)
Cavaliers	6	2016	$1,221,329	($168,668)
Cadets	7	2015	$5,442,229	($430,741)
Blue Stars	8	2016	$1,318,407	($367,353)
Blue Knights	9	2016	$1,644,938	($72,412)
Mandarins	10	2015	$819,467	$0
Phantom Regiment	11	2016	$1,313,707	($46,224)
Crossmen	12	2016	$1,279,912	($66,752)
Spirit of Atlanta	13	2016	$924,113	($170,868)
Colts	14	2017	$1,560,621	($290,034)
Academy	15	2015	$887,181	$0
Madison Scouts	16	2017	$1,206,904	($253,167)
Troopers	17	2016	$905,448	($368,174)
Vanguard Cadets	18	see above
Blue Devils B	19	see above
Pacific Crest	20	2015	$1,020,506	($10,430)
Music City	21	2016	$483,964	($25,000)
Oregon Crusaders	22	2016	$864,067	($113,063)
Gold	23	2015	$316,056	$0
Genesis	24	2016	$575,100	$0
Spartans	25	2017	$629,834	($21,746)
Legends	26	2012	$464,945	($198,743)
Seattle Cascades	27	2016	$580,836	$0
7th Regiment	28	2016	$258,923	$0
Guardians	29	could not locate
Jersey Surf	30	2015	$612,791	$0
Louisiana Stars	31	2016	$318,032	$0
River City Rhythym	32	2015	$296,473	$0
Southwind	33	2015	$199,985	($13,820)
Jubal	34	n/a
Golden Empire	35	part of Bakersfield College Foundation
Pioneer	36	2016	$381,126	$0
Shadow	37	2016	$305,379	$0
Colt Cadets	38	see above
Raiders	39	2016	$253,755	($23,500)
Heat Wave	40	2015	$74,271	$0

[Ghost]

Nice job E.  We see Battalion hasn't made the list.  Maybe they haven't been active long enough.

[Eleran]

30 minutes ago, Ghost said:

Nice job E.  We see Battalion hasn't made the list.  Maybe they haven't been active long enough.

I only looked up the 40 that competed at 2018 Championships in Indy. I don't think Battalion competed there, did they?

Edit:  Battalion - 2017  - $317, 096 revenues - $0 loans

Edited August 15, 2018 by Eleran

[Jeff Ream]

23 hours ago, cixelsyd said:

Maybe this will answer the OP questions.  (Apologies for formatting - technology is not cooperating today.)

Summary - all corps pay and other funds paid out from DCI to individual corps

Rates listed are the standards in place for the 2017 season.

Appearance Fees – corps are paid for event performances based on the following scales:

World Class:

·         Standard rate: $2,600 per event.

·         Standard non-member rate: $1,800 per event. Used for a corps who is participating on the World Class tour but is not a full voting member.

·         Standard rate for events designated as “Tour of Champions”: $5,000 per event.

Open Class:

·         Standard rate for contracted tour events – mixed events with primarily World Class corps: $1,100 for Open Class Finalist and $700 for Non-Finalist. (Non-finalists include locally based groups that do not travel to Championships.) New or re-emerging corps receive $0 in their first year.

·         Standard rate for contracted tour events – Open Class events: appearance fees vary. Pay is based on a pool of payout dollars generated from the specific contracts (Total contract value less Admin fees) and is shared by the corps appearing in those contracted events.

All Age: Standard – a mixture of rates, some of which are grandfathered in from old pay scales – typically ranging from $0 to $500 but may be as high as $1,700 for a top DCA level finalist.

Allocation pool – Pool created out of DCI revenue distributed to World Class member corps based on a formula (see below). All active World Class member corps receive a portion of the pool. The amount of the pool is determined during the annual Budget & Planning cycle and approved by the Board.

The stated intent of the Allocation pool system is to reward both historical contributions of individual corps as well as “marketability” based on recent results. A summary of the steps in the formula:

·         The formula includes all placements from 1972 to the present.

o   Eligible placements are: current World Class, former Division I or original Open Class Top 25. Corps that are temporarily inactive continue to be included in the pool calculations.

o   Not included: Any placements for corps outside of the Top 25 or any Class A/Class A-60/ Division II & III / new Open Class or any All Age groups. Also not included: any World Class corps who have gone inactive or move out of the World Class for an extended period of time.

·         Based on the placements, points are awarded on scales that combine similar competitive ranges. For 1972 through 2001 (30 years), a placement of 1 – 6 earns 40 points, 7 – 12 earns 30 points, 13 – 17 earns 5 points, 18 and above do not earn points. From 2002 to the present, the points were expanded at the lower levels so that 13 – 17 earns 15 points and 18 – 21 earns 5 points. 22nd + remain at 0 points.

·         Each year’s placements are weighted. 1972 = 1; 1973 = 2, 1974 = 3 and so on. The most recent 3 years are “super weighted” at a rate of 100 / 150 / 150.

·         A cumulative number of points are calculated for each corps. The ratio of the number of an individual corps’ point total compared to the grand total of all corps is the percentage used when paying out the total pool. For example: if a corps’ point total equals 5% of the total of all points, then that corps will receive 5% of the funds in the allocation pool.

Championships – pay based on final placement:

Finalist (1 – 12) $8,500; 13 – 17 $6,500; 18 – 21 $4,000; 22+ $2,150

Note: if an Open Class corps places higher than a World Class corps in a mixed event such as Prelims; the World Class pay is not reduced; it is determined by placement within the World Class.

Championships – mileage – a pool of $50,000 allocated based on the number of miles from a corps’ home base of operation to that year’s Championship location. Payout eligibility: World Class member corps.

thank you!!!!!