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MikeRapp Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 4:10 PM, garfield said: Wow, and the G7 is still alive and well. Ha! So interesting how the worm turns (not you personally, Mike; I have no idea how you reacted to the presentation back then or today). Attaining WC status is about the ability to compete. There will always be a last place corps. It's not about placement. But I do, personally, think a corps' "rating" can include a consideration (actual points deduction) for the number of years a corps spends in last place. The DCI payout to corps includes a math provision that hat-tips "longevity" in the top-12, top-5, etc. so I see nothing wrong with applying some similar metric to incentivize corps to move up in the ranks and/or not stay at the bottom of the ranks. I have no idea, however, how that might be structured at the moment. I was, and still am, steadfastly against the G7 concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRapp Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 4:13 PM, garfield said: Yes you can, if the revenue-sharing model is, in fact, more equitable. (Which, BTW, is an example of where an independent BoD might very well introduce a payout model different from the one the directors passed for themselves.) It can only be equitable if all world class corps are making the same or similar commitments to deliver world class entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluzes Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, MikeRapp said: It can only be equitable if all world class corps are making the same or similar commitments to deliver world class entertainment. That is a higher goal. Way out of the scope of equal performance fees ability to have a affect. The best will still be the best because of varying other revenue sources available to them. Tour fee differences, bingo operations, strong internal fund raising, festival market place sales, corps donations and a lot of other factors. That will determine the winners/losers. More than equalized performance fees abilities to have such of an affect. The way things are now unequal fees just adds insult to injury. The benefits of giving the corps equal pay for equal work on show day. Helps the corps that need it the most and is not a death blow to the richer corps. A self-serving methodology that insures discomfort at the fringes. Some corps have medical staffs others don't. For more corps to afford medical staffs the increase in performance fees for the lower tier could be mandated. That is what the revenue is put towards. A small discomfort to the top 8 that reaps a benefit to all and helps solve a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 8 hours ago, MikeRapp said: It can only be equitable if all world class corps are making the same or similar commitments to deliver world class entertainment. They are, via a system that measures "commitment" by their ability to meet DCI tour requirements, in total. It sounds very much like you want placement scores to be the primary determinant of commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 6 hours ago, garfield said: They are, via a system that measures "commitment" by their ability to meet DCI tour requirements, in total. It sounds very much like you want placement scores to be the primary determinant of commitment. and classification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrontz Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 Boy, this thread has wandered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluzes Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 10 hours ago, garfield said: They are, via a system that measures "commitment" by their ability to meet DCI tour requirements, in total. It sounds very much like you want placement scores to be the primary determinant of commitment. Think there are 2 good points here. 1) Commitment to meet WC tour requirements - the ability to complete the tour - medical staff, background checks, adequate touring vehicles, enough funds. 2) Commitment to corps ranking as a means for reward. Sets the bar too high for corps that don't have the backend revenue streams to even be in contention, ever. Where we are today. Don't know much about G7 or G8 whatever. If the contention is that's all we come to see anyway. Go for it I will catch the tour stop closest to the house and that would be it, thanks Why are the stands packed from beginning to end like never before? Dozens of school buses bring HS kids to the show. They didn't just come to see BD, SCV they may aspire to be one soon. They are there to see all the corps. To determine where their skill levels fit on the way to the top. The Top would not be top without kids honing their skills somewhere in the middle. How long would an 8 corp dci tour last a few years? The top corps are bullies keeping everyone else down. Is that what this youth activity has become broken horns not worth seeing anyway and top corps that snub their nose at everyone else? What does dci stand for? Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, MikeRapp said: It can only be equitable if all world class corps are making the same or similar commitments to deliver world class entertainment. NFL has revenue sharing. The product delivered is far from uniform in quality Edited August 27, 2018 by HockeyDad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, HockeyDad said: NFL has revenue sharing. The product delivered is far from uniform in quality Longtime Jets fan here. I can vouch for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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